I'm seriously considering buying the pro bundle with the headset clip especially after watching the level of control DaSquirrelsNuts seems to have on his streams/videos, It feels like its either this or grow a third arm because using my G27 with manual gears and trying to look around with the mouse is a nightmare, i have reassigned 3 of my steering wheel buttons to look left, look right and centre but thats 3 buttons that could be better assigned to other tasks (and the instant jerkiness of the camera switching is hardly realistic)..
Is it worth it?
Is it easy to set up?
What are your views on the latest version?
What other games do you play that utilises this?
TrackIR 5
Re: Trackir 5
Yes. Cannot live without it anymore. Would feel like have the head trapped in a bench vice. I'm serious here...Reef wrote: Is it worth it?
Other than that, the Trap Clip Pro is complete junk. I have it attached to my (otherwise wireless) headphones, and as there is a USB cable mounted to power the 3 LED, I have managed to get that whole combo thrown to the ground often, when I retreat from my desk, forgetting I still have the phones on. Nice feeling to have the phones snatched from your ears, with force.
I've broken the clip several times, it consists of more glue and duct tape than plastic now. Isn't 50 Euro for a stupid LED clip enough to integrate a battery and make it more stable? Apparently not for this Naturalpoint company. See http://forums.naturalpoint.com for real bitter rants about the clip, galore.
But as I said: Its impossible for me to imagine to play the game without it, after using it for ETS1 since 2009. Never used an other motion tracking solution, so I can't say anything about such.
Yes. But you will need some time and experience to establish an own, personal profile, for your convenience.Is it easy to set up?
It takes a while to get used to it. At least I felt a bit insecure, in the beginning. Now its a natural part of my body.
And you have to experiment with the distance of the TrackIR sensor. Took me a long time to realize that it was placed a bit to NEAR.
Of the clip? No Idea, mine is old. But the only difference to the new version is that the plastic is a bit more sturdy. Which is certainly not enough. I hoped for a complete, wireless redesign. Since 5 years.What are your views on the latest version?
ETS1, Trucks & Trailers, STDS. I'm not much a off a gamer. And I guess it doesn't make sense for First Person Shooters and alike.What other games do you play that utilises this?
Re: Trackir 5
Absolutely!Reef wrote:Is it worth it?
Whenever i playtest something in game and i come up to a place where i normally look left/right i wonder why it isn't working and i feel totally handicapped without it. (When playtesting i don't wear the clip)
And in my eyes, the bundle is worth it despite the crappy quality of the track clip pro. You just have to be REALLY careful with it because the clip breaks easily.
Of course, the clip can be repaired should it break. It's nothing more than a few infrared LED's in the right places. One can replace the whole thing with a sturdier construction.
My clip nearly broke... Because my FFFFFFFFFF dog tripped on the cable and pulled the whole thing with him (in panic) as he ran away. But it survived that, since then i have always made sure to keep my cables in order. (And my dog away from my computer area)
The good thing about the clip is that it's much more visible to the camera than the reflectors. It also doesn't require you to wear a cap.
In certain high lighting situations (especially sunlight) the reflectors simply doesn't work at all.
As for the camera, i have nothing to compare it against. I have heard it's just as good as TiR 4 but that isn't available from the store anymore.
Yes it's very easy to set up.Reef wrote:Is it easy to set up?
BUT, if you feel the default set up isn't correct for you then it can get increasingly difficult the more "OCD" you are about it. It took me about 6 hours of fiddling with my profile to get it to feel just right. As in, move this a pixel to the left here... Move that a pixel up there...
As far as the game is concerned, just plug the thing in, clip it on to your headset, start the TrackIR software and start the game. You are now looking around in your truck cab without having to do a single thing.
Cannot comment on that, i don't know.Reef wrote:What are your views on the latest version?
I bought mine for ETS 2. But i know a lot of games supports it, especially ArmA 2, Take on Helicopters, Microsoft Flight Simulator(s) and other titles i simply haven't had time or interest in playing as of late.Reef wrote:What other games do you play that utilises this?
There are also certain games that doesn't have built in support for the TrackIR but have third party applications that makes it work in those titles anyways.
On extended hiatus.
Re: TrackIR 5
Just wanted to say thanks for the detailed replies guys 
I feel that little more confident about purchasing it now
I feel that little more confident about purchasing it now
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Re: TrackIR 5
I know that you have already ordered the TrackIR 5 Pro set but I would still like to comment on your last question on the latest version.
I have both TrackIR 5 and TrackIR 4. The TrackIR 5 is mounted on my motion platform and the TrackIR 4 is mounted on my center monitor at my desktop. Although you can see a difference in the specs for both units I, personally, can detect no difference in their use. I also had a TrackIR 3 with Vector expansion for a while and again I could not really tell the difference between the three as far as their capability in game.
So if anyone is ever wondering if they should grab a TrackIR 4 cheap on Ebay or hold off and buy the TrackIR 5 my advice would be to save money and buy the TrackIR 4 (or even version 3 with vector expansion if you can get it).
Just my .02$
By the way these are the games that I have used with both Freetrack and TrackIR:
Rise of Flight, Arma2, IL-2 1946, IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, DCS P-51, DCS Blackshark, DCS A-10, EuroTruck Simulator 2, iRacing, Mechwarrior Online (as a pointing device instead of the mouse), Arvoch Alliance, Evocron Mercenary, Dirt 2 and 3, F1 2010, F1 2012, Falcon 4 BMS, Flight Simulator X, GTR, GTR2, Iron Front: Liberation 1944 (including when it was a mod for Arma2), LockOn: MOdern Air Combat 2 and 3, Race 07, War Thunder (do not like this game much though). As you can see I just went through the supported games list and wrote down those that I have played. There are many more games that you can use head tracking with in mouse emulation mode.
I have both TrackIR 5 and TrackIR 4. The TrackIR 5 is mounted on my motion platform and the TrackIR 4 is mounted on my center monitor at my desktop. Although you can see a difference in the specs for both units I, personally, can detect no difference in their use. I also had a TrackIR 3 with Vector expansion for a while and again I could not really tell the difference between the three as far as their capability in game.
So if anyone is ever wondering if they should grab a TrackIR 4 cheap on Ebay or hold off and buy the TrackIR 5 my advice would be to save money and buy the TrackIR 4 (or even version 3 with vector expansion if you can get it).
Just my .02$
By the way these are the games that I have used with both Freetrack and TrackIR:
Rise of Flight, Arma2, IL-2 1946, IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, DCS P-51, DCS Blackshark, DCS A-10, EuroTruck Simulator 2, iRacing, Mechwarrior Online (as a pointing device instead of the mouse), Arvoch Alliance, Evocron Mercenary, Dirt 2 and 3, F1 2010, F1 2012, Falcon 4 BMS, Flight Simulator X, GTR, GTR2, Iron Front: Liberation 1944 (including when it was a mod for Arma2), LockOn: MOdern Air Combat 2 and 3, Race 07, War Thunder (do not like this game much though). As you can see I just went through the supported games list and wrote down those that I have played. There are many more games that you can use head tracking with in mouse emulation mode.
Re: TrackIR 5
Yah, it is a old thread to reply to but this may be helpful info for someone considering the TrackIR5 system.
The above covered well but I'll just add this.
There is no need to get the TrackIR5 Pro or the Pro LED headset for most people. The base TrackIR5
is fine in the vast majority of situations.
Why do I say that? The TrackIR5 base system comes with a nice reflector unit, made from a sturdy lightweight
plastic that will clip to the brim of a hat brim, one would typically use a baseball type hat.
The clip is integral to the plastic body and comes with two prongs that slide over the brim. One I suppose
could use something other than a base ball cap as long as the brim is of similar thickness, say perhaps
like the hats I think are called visor caps, which is just a visor with no covering over the head.
The clip on the unit has 3 reflective tape locations that the infrared LED camera uses to track.
It works fine! The only times I hear people complain that the Tape unit fails to track are those strange
people who game in rooms with sunlight coming in to a window from the rear or have bright light and or
heat sources behind them in the view of the camera, or something reflective enough to confuse the LED camera.
(while on the 'camera' no it is not usable as a camera, the light detector inside is insufficient resolution
to be used as such)
So, save some cash and buy the cheaper base unit.
The other issue with the LED headset is it is designed to be worn on a headphone. Depending on headphone
design you will maybe end up taping it on or using Velcro or mechanics wire to attach.
The worse issue is there is yet another cable going to your PC or USB Hub, and it is attached to your head.
We all need more cables in our lives, right? (sarcasm alert for Google Translator)
The WORST issue with the LED unit is it is fragile and breaks, almost invariably, in the same exact spot.
It is poorly designed and has been for years. Go ahead and Google search that, you can even find
TRackIR5 Porn pictures to gawk at detailing the breakage.
I'll add games to the above list I didn't see mentioned, though you can find the game list the device
supports at the TrackIR site.
Assetto Corsa (however it detects the game as another game, Air Combat something but works fine )
RFactor2
I purchased mine about 2 weeks ago. It made Eurotruck 2 a lot more fun for me and of course is most useful
for when one needs to look left or right. However I also like the fact I can move forward in my chair and
alter how close or far away I am from the dash, it does alter POV somewhat and yes, you can reset via
keyboard command to have the TRackIR5 use that new point in space as the new center. Which I do
when I have to move my body as sitting bone cold steady in a chair for too long is bad on the body.
No need to sit bone cold since it is so easy to reset and you have a good bit of latitude (movement range)
you can do before reaching a point where the camera can not pick up your movements properly.
I map the default camera positional reset button to a button on my mouse which is a multifunction gaming mouse.
Yes you can change the buttons used in the TrackIR software.
I suggest anyone considering go to that site, and get the manual and READ before buying.
The device is intended for uses sitting within 2 to 5 feet of the camera viewport. If you are too close or too
far away tracking fails or becomes faulty.
If you are some oddball that sits further than 5 feet, (say a giant big screen user) you probably would have
to figure out a way to mount the camera closer but it would have to be near your heads height.
Only downside to the system that I can see is it requires the software to be run in ADMIN mode.
Using it here on Win7 64 bit. I don't like running items in ADMIN but I make a exception for this.
I think that is poor design and I hope they change it but need more people to complain or they never will.
Oh, one final thought. I'd suggest exiting the TRACKIR software if leaving your PC for hours while it is on.
Reason, that turns off the LED's inside the camera. Reason I fuss with that? Heat. The unit runs surprisingly warm.
I figure it might reduce the lifetime of the unit, heat bad. SO when not gaming I just kill the trackIR 5 software and restart it when I return.
Oh, and another for you buying it... be sure you install the software first before plugging the hardware in.
Oh, and yet another item. IN ETS2 the POV that TrackIR alters is only the view from when you are inside
the cab of the truck or vehicle. The other cameras outside are not altered by TrackIR5, and the views that
allow rotation (I think 2 on keyboard) do not either. The game was not programmed to allow that. Not a issue.
The above covered well but I'll just add this.
There is no need to get the TrackIR5 Pro or the Pro LED headset for most people. The base TrackIR5
is fine in the vast majority of situations.
Why do I say that? The TrackIR5 base system comes with a nice reflector unit, made from a sturdy lightweight
plastic that will clip to the brim of a hat brim, one would typically use a baseball type hat.
The clip is integral to the plastic body and comes with two prongs that slide over the brim. One I suppose
could use something other than a base ball cap as long as the brim is of similar thickness, say perhaps
like the hats I think are called visor caps, which is just a visor with no covering over the head.
The clip on the unit has 3 reflective tape locations that the infrared LED camera uses to track.
It works fine! The only times I hear people complain that the Tape unit fails to track are those strange
people who game in rooms with sunlight coming in to a window from the rear or have bright light and or
heat sources behind them in the view of the camera, or something reflective enough to confuse the LED camera.
(while on the 'camera' no it is not usable as a camera, the light detector inside is insufficient resolution
to be used as such)
So, save some cash and buy the cheaper base unit.
The other issue with the LED headset is it is designed to be worn on a headphone. Depending on headphone
design you will maybe end up taping it on or using Velcro or mechanics wire to attach.
The worse issue is there is yet another cable going to your PC or USB Hub, and it is attached to your head.
We all need more cables in our lives, right? (sarcasm alert for Google Translator)
The WORST issue with the LED unit is it is fragile and breaks, almost invariably, in the same exact spot.
It is poorly designed and has been for years. Go ahead and Google search that, you can even find
TRackIR5 Porn pictures to gawk at detailing the breakage.
I'll add games to the above list I didn't see mentioned, though you can find the game list the device
supports at the TrackIR site.
Assetto Corsa (however it detects the game as another game, Air Combat something but works fine )
RFactor2
I purchased mine about 2 weeks ago. It made Eurotruck 2 a lot more fun for me and of course is most useful
for when one needs to look left or right. However I also like the fact I can move forward in my chair and
alter how close or far away I am from the dash, it does alter POV somewhat and yes, you can reset via
keyboard command to have the TRackIR5 use that new point in space as the new center. Which I do
when I have to move my body as sitting bone cold steady in a chair for too long is bad on the body.
No need to sit bone cold since it is so easy to reset and you have a good bit of latitude (movement range)
you can do before reaching a point where the camera can not pick up your movements properly.
I map the default camera positional reset button to a button on my mouse which is a multifunction gaming mouse.
Yes you can change the buttons used in the TrackIR software.
I suggest anyone considering go to that site, and get the manual and READ before buying.
The device is intended for uses sitting within 2 to 5 feet of the camera viewport. If you are too close or too
far away tracking fails or becomes faulty.
If you are some oddball that sits further than 5 feet, (say a giant big screen user) you probably would have
to figure out a way to mount the camera closer but it would have to be near your heads height.
Only downside to the system that I can see is it requires the software to be run in ADMIN mode.
Using it here on Win7 64 bit. I don't like running items in ADMIN but I make a exception for this.
I think that is poor design and I hope they change it but need more people to complain or they never will.
Oh, one final thought. I'd suggest exiting the TRACKIR software if leaving your PC for hours while it is on.
Reason, that turns off the LED's inside the camera. Reason I fuss with that? Heat. The unit runs surprisingly warm.
I figure it might reduce the lifetime of the unit, heat bad. SO when not gaming I just kill the trackIR 5 software and restart it when I return.
Oh, and another for you buying it... be sure you install the software first before plugging the hardware in.
Oh, and yet another item. IN ETS2 the POV that TrackIR alters is only the view from when you are inside
the cab of the truck or vehicle. The other cameras outside are not altered by TrackIR5, and the views that
allow rotation (I think 2 on keyboard) do not either. The game was not programmed to allow that. Not a issue.
Re: TrackIR 5
Hi All and a happy New Year 
As I use a TIR5, I wished to alter the default TIR point of view in cabine a bit closer towards to the windshield.
I know that is related inside controls.sii file but what is the value I must to modify to get my virtual head closer to the windshield as using the setup sit position (F4 key pressed twice) does nothing using a TIR device.
I wished also to alter my height position in the same way.
Any help appreciated
Cheers
As I use a TIR5, I wished to alter the default TIR point of view in cabine a bit closer towards to the windshield.
I know that is related inside controls.sii file but what is the value I must to modify to get my virtual head closer to the windshield as using the setup sit position (F4 key pressed twice) does nothing using a TIR device.
I wished also to alter my height position in the same way.
Any help appreciated
Cheers
Re: TrackIR 5
Easiest way to do it is lean right back and then press "center" (F12 default) that way once you've returned your head to its natural distance from the screen you are then situated closer to the windscreen.
But if you press F4 three times then you can change your default seating position anyway.
Best hint I can offer is F12 as often as you feel necessary.
But if you press F4 three times then you can change your default seating position anyway.
Best hint I can offer is F12 as often as you feel necessary.
Re: TrackIR 5
Hi Reef
Thank you for your rapid answer but I knew already these advices. The problem with the F4 adjust seat is using a Track IR and pressing F12 to reset the POV always reset also the setup F4 seat position it seems.
Anyway after some tests and search inside the controls.sii file I found the TIR related line head Z axis :
config_lines[165]: "mix headtrz `sel(trackiron, clamp(trackirz, -0.25, -0.07), 0) + sel(hmdon, hmdz, 0)`"
and modified the values (for the Z axis limits originaly that was -0.2 max leaning forwards and 0.05 leaning back)
Now when I sit back on the seat and resetting TIR with F12 the Z axis is at my favorite place closer to the windshield.
I'm going to test also for the Y values to lower my default TIR height position.
Anyway thank you very much for your help.
Cheers
Thank you for your rapid answer but I knew already these advices. The problem with the F4 adjust seat is using a Track IR and pressing F12 to reset the POV always reset also the setup F4 seat position it seems.
Anyway after some tests and search inside the controls.sii file I found the TIR related line head Z axis :
config_lines[165]: "mix headtrz `sel(trackiron, clamp(trackirz, -0.25, -0.07), 0) + sel(hmdon, hmdz, 0)`"
and modified the values (for the Z axis limits originaly that was -0.2 max leaning forwards and 0.05 leaning back)
Now when I sit back on the seat and resetting TIR with F12 the Z axis is at my favorite place closer to the windshield.
I'm going to test also for the Y values to lower my default TIR height position.
Anyway thank you very much for your help.
Cheers
Re: TrackIR 5
I just had an epiphany
Why don't you guys simply buy some simple battery powered LED kid's flashlight, take the LED's out and stick them to your wireless headphones, together with the batteries, and see if they produce the same effect as the original thing?
Then, simply have the pesky clip plugged into your usb and set aside, on your table, out of the way, so the software doesn't complain (in case this is a requirement for the whole thing to work).
Just thinkin' out loud, here...
Why don't you guys simply buy some simple battery powered LED kid's flashlight, take the LED's out and stick them to your wireless headphones, together with the batteries, and see if they produce the same effect as the original thing?
Then, simply have the pesky clip plugged into your usb and set aside, on your table, out of the way, so the software doesn't complain (in case this is a requirement for the whole thing to work).
Just thinkin' out loud, here...
Retired, but still loving it.
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