How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

Are you a "Vanilla" gamer?

Yes, I swear to ETS2 clean, without any official DLC's like Going East or Scandinavia.
13
3%
Yes, my mod folder is empty and will be so for all eternity.
104
28%
No, and I must have ended up in the wrong section. There's no mods here!
258
69%
 
Total votes: 375

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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#101 Post by Some newbie driver » 14 Feb 2020 17:38

It's not just a question that SCS care for people with older hardware (something that, up to some point, it's true). It's a question about their game engine actually can't take profit of a lot better hardware than the recommended specs (it takes profit of higher performance CPU, but just on mono-core, remember). So it has no sense either to increase the recommended specs; Operative System apart (no game company is going to recommend a minimum OS version that will be deprecated by its developer).

But there will arrive a moment, when they could make REALLY BIG changes on its engine, that SCS should have to took a decision: if to keep improving its game with more and better features or to keep making it playable with 10 year old toasters. And I hope they took the first option because:
A) Anybody who could not change it's computer will be ale to keep playing on an older version
B) One thing is to care for players with older computers and another different thing is to tie the company progress to computers of the previous geological era (that's the equivalent of 10 years in PC computing)

Funny fact, today a customer brought us an old (well, more than old, Jurassic) 486 machine. :shock: It was an industrial controller that worked for more than 25 years managing a machine for fruit weighting. Things aren't built today so reliable. :cry:

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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#102 Post by cip » 14 Feb 2020 19:09

Yes absolutely true that game progress should not wait for archaical PCs and luckily a player with old PC can always stay with an older version as my brother does :lol: (almost forgot that I heard first time about ETS2 from my brother). then for me it's still unbelievable that SCS prefer to stay in the safe side and keep low traffic density and even more unbelievable that almost 1/3 of the users do not use mods. taking into account that the survey is only for registered users, in reality the percentage of Vanilla players must be much higher :shock:
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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#103 Post by Some newbie driver » 14 Feb 2020 20:47

I'm sure that, if we were able to plot a graph with "number of mods" in one axis and "time playing the game" in another; a trend would be clearly seen. It's really easy to start playing actually the game and don't have any need to use a single mod on it (the game has a lot to offer, enough for most players). But people that stated playing when the game had a lot less features and details installed a lot of them "by necessity" and once one is used to have them it's hard to go vanilla.

About the traffic density, the question is obvious. The weakest point on this game is its CPU single-core dependency and traffic put a lot of stress on it. I don't expect them to significantly improve it until they move to real multi-core or they manage to gain a lot of performance from optimization that they could spare with more traffic (but after so many years of continuous development, that option is very unlikely to happen)

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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#104 Post by Trucker_71 » 14 Feb 2020 22:15

I don't need "more" idiot AI traffic, thank you very much. :)

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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#105 Post by cip » 14 Feb 2020 23:31

no Alky, the traffic is the same anyway, you would only see more vw bugs :lol:
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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#106 Post by The Old Fart » 15 Feb 2020 02:12

Some newbie driver, I think you hit the nail square on the head in respect of mod usage and its correlation to 'time in game'. That would be an interesting survey.

I am also hoping that we might see an ETS3 (?) in the not too distant future. The mists would part and there would be a game engine capable of exploiting multi-core cpu's, with better graphics. We can dream. Right now however, even if SCS does not 'increase' the traffic density (we have mods for that), I truly hope that they will make some efforts to repair what's broken. Start with the prefab issues and move on from there. Stop the carnage on our roads!
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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#107 Post by Some newbie driver » 15 Feb 2020 12:28

Hi The Old Fart.

I don't think we see an ETS3 for a looooong time. For me it's clear that SCS is more than comfortable evolving step by step the actual game (and that could lead us to better graphics, announced for 1.38) either to a multi-core support (something I'm sure they are already working on but that needs previous changes)

Also a completely new game would mean that people had to restrain again to the base map until they release new map DLCs up to the point we are now, a big no. And considering that both games share the engine, and ETS3 would mean an ATS2 and start again that game that took so many years to arrive to "cruise speed". Another big no IMHO.

But the key point would be in the license agreements they had for the trucks. In case those agreements are tied to the specific game (I mean, for example, Mercedes gave license for their trucks for ETS2 specifically, not for any SCS game); then an ETS3 would mean to renegotiate again with the affected brands and that's a HUGE mess.

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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#108 Post by JD6 » 23 Feb 2020 15:17

@cip
cip wrote:I do not deny that indeed large game companies make their games at high level standards because they have a large market and can actually afford that only players with Hi-end PC play that game(s). somehow I have the feeling that SCS care about people with low specification and are restricted somehow in certain development of the game due to this care. I am sure that SCS mentioned somewhere that about 20% of players are still on Windows XP (or they were a few months ago)
I love you bro but I'll have to disagree with most you said. This whole big companies/small companies thing is a thing of the past. I know SCS is not on the same level of EA/Ubi and the others but ETS2 is VERY FAR from a small game on Steam. ETS2 fanbase has a lot of people who only play this game and have old PCs, true. However I doubt the main reason for keeping the game looking rather old is the culprit for that reason. I'd say the know-how and the burden of changing the old engine to more modern looks takes its toll. It's not an easy task.

The game doesn't look the way it looks because it keeps up with the crazy WinXP/Win7 fanbase. I can run FH4 at 60fps medium and that looks aeons better on the same system. It's just an old engine and I hope as promised, we get an amazing new graphical update in 2020.

ETS2 has become some sort of WoW and unless there's a serious effort put into a next-gen console release I doubt there will be an ETS3 game soon.

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Re: How many "vanilla" gamers are we?

#109 Post by Vlad (ua) » 21 Oct 2020 10:50

In main since 2016 when I bought the steam version I usually play without any mods, rarely use them nowadays only official dlcs.
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