East Coast Speculation Thread

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Re: East Coast Speculation Thread

#101 Post by Shiva » 16 Feb 2021 16:05

supersobes, yeah, from there Nats Park can be seen
flight50, Home Depot + USPS area, not mentioned earlier, by either of us. As far as I can see.
The 1 you posted the screenshot of? Yep, I did find that.
1st may 2020, I did write a bunch of posts regarding DC.
viewtopic.php?f=178&t=274910&start=770#p1343745 was the first, I think.
After that I did change that initial inside beltway road a bit.
I'll revisit this route https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.7896 ... 234,11.31z and change it a bit. These are the inside beltway route that should be plausible. Atleast if compressing/removing to have one main delivery Zone area.
This is with 2 delivery zones: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.7896 ... m2!4m1!3e0
Thing is, If inner DC roads and depots inside the Capital Beltway.
Then only 1 depot area might fit.
Would it be the Fort Lincoln https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fort+ ... 76.9555116 ?
Or Brentwood? https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brent ... -76.991238 ?
Or something totally different?

http://godcgo.com/dc-truck-and-bus-map/ refuses to load for me.
While https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files ... 20_web.pdf still works.

The White House route with views from north and south https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.9050 ... m2!4m1!3e0 . Including DuPont Circle. + this route legal only when travelling as marked.
Shortest possible:
North to south https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.9050 ... m2!4m1!3e0 .
South to north https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.8765 ... m2!4m1!3e0 -
The above is for Through Trucks routes.
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Re: East Coast Speculation Thread

#103 Post by flight50 » 20 Feb 2021 15:13

@krmarci not too bad. There are a few holes that could dense up the map a tad more though.

Mississippi - Gulfport or Biloxi will be marked. Whatever isn't marked will get absorbed by the other more than likely. Biloxi is more tourist like so its probably the one to get absorbed. Gulfport makes much more sense as it where the most ATS worthy industries are located.

Alabama - Gadsden won't be missed. Its a 100k population city. It gets us something East on I-59. It can even cheat Northeast a little to give more space to Birmingham.

Florida - Pensacola can't be missed. It will have to squeeze in one way or another. There is a 58.6 mile difference in Mobile and Pensacola. SCS should be able to get that to work.

South Carolina - Myrtle Beach can go unmarked. Conway has a shot at getting absorbed by it to make the metro area a bit larger. Between US-17 and Business US-17, that area can come to life for sure.
Spartanburg - It might be tight but we have similar cities in the game already that is the same distance.

North Carolina - Winston-Salem is on the bubble. It can slide West more or get absorbed by Greensboro. Durham and Chapel Hill should get absorbed by Raleigh to make a metro area.
Jacksonville - is 70k strong. Its 53 miles from Wilmington and allows US-17 to continue

Virginia - Harrisonburg. Its right off I-81. Winchester - same thing. Not enough marked on I-81.

Maryland - Hagerstown. Anther marked on I-81. Too big if a gap from Roanoke to Harrisburg.

Pennsylvania - Allentown. SCS went here for the Anthem. There is a Mack facility here off PA-100. Not to mention the city is off I-78 which can't be missed.
York, Lancaster and Reading have legit shots a being small marked cities.
Wilke-Barre could be the marked town and Scranton absorbed.

Ohio - Youngstown should make I-80. Akron is iffy. It might get absorbed by Cleveland unless SCS pushes Cleveland North into the water.
Lima - Perfect to break up Toledo and Dayton on I-75
Sandusky - Something to break up Cleveland and Toledo
Chilicothe or Galispolis/Point Pleasant along US-35

Rhode Island - I honestly give it a more than most. There was a post yesterday in which I added Westerly and Newport. One city just doesn't sit well for me.

Connecticut - Hartford, Danbury, Waterbury and Torrington. Northwich or New London/Groton has a shot. We have a couple of cities in the game that are along a river on two sides. If we get these two, Westerly can be affected. Either is go smaller, shift East or omitted.

Massachusetts - Worcester, Lowell, Haverhill. At least 1-2 of these

New Hampshire - Portsmouth

Maine - Presque Isle/Caribou to be the Northern most part in the US on the East coast. Houlton to be the last US city prior to the border crossing
Rockland, Belfast, Ellensworth, Calais....something other than scenic should go along US-1.
Something along US-201 to get to Quebec City.
Something along in Western Maine on US-2. Rumford is perhaps the best fit.

Wisconsin - Superior. This might be like Portland, Or and Vancouver, Wa. Both can't go in the same dlc.

Vermont - Newport as the Northern most city on I-91. Saint Albans/Swanton as Northern most on I-89.

New York - Malone to get something on US-11. Too vacant in Northern New York.

West Virginia - Parkersburg. US-50 has a good shot of going cross the country from coast to coast

Indiana - Muncie. This help occupy US-35
Logansport - Something to break up West Lafayette and Fort Wayne
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Re: East Coast Speculation Thread

#104 Post by rbsanford » 20 Feb 2021 16:38

I think it would be a good idea to add Prairie du Chien to Wisconsin, just to have something in the Driftless Area. Maybe Appleton should also be marked, with Neenah as a scenic extension (there's a foundry there that makes pretty much all the manhole covers and sewer grates in my city), but it might be too close to Green Bay. Sturgeon Bay would work, as would either Marinette or Menominee. I second that Superior should be included; Duluth/Superior would be a perfect pair of marked cities like Portland/Vancouver.

Illinois could use Moline and East St. Louis. Similarly, Indiana should include Gary.

Michigan should have Ironwood marked instead of Watersmeet, there's just a bit more going on there. It would also be nice to also have the Michigan Sault Ste. Marie instead of just the Ontatio one. I think it could also use Muskegon. If you add scenic towns to this map, don't forget Mackinaw City, that place is beautiful. I've been there a few times IRL, and have driven across the bridge; I can't wait to do that in ATS.

I also agree with pretty much all of flight's suggestions, and I would add Barnstable to Massachusetts. Overall though, this concept map is pretty solid.
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Re: East Coast Speculation Thread

#105 Post by dk00? » 20 Feb 2021 17:40

Allentown has to be in when the Pennsylvania dlc. Along with what @flight50, distribution terminals. Far enough away from Philly, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, so it won't get absorbed and would leave a noticeable hole in the map if left out.

As for Rhode Island, I'm the one who said 1 city. I'm hoping for more than one city, I'm just not sure how scs will pull off Rhode Island even if they bump the scale up for the east coast. To me I think Rhode Island is going to be more daunting than Texas. Texas is big, but there's room to get a good depiction in a map expansion, Rhode Island is tiny.
Though it would make bridge fans happy if Newport was in as well, seeing as it's on an Island. So if there be 3, I agree with Providence, Newport, Westerly.
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Re: East Coast Speculation Thread

#106 Post by krmarci » 20 Feb 2021 18:04

More cities in Rhode Island could fit really, really narrowly. A size comparison to ETS2 is Luxembourg - it fits one base map city, and not much more. Especially with the current mapping trends, we would be lucky if the whole of Rhode Island wouldn't just be Providence but also some scenery... (Also, Boston is also really close, which will probably need some space.)

As for the others, I'll check them later, I'm a bit too busy right now... :-/

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#107 Post by Larry71490 » 20 Feb 2021 21:44

Good start but lot of dead space in VA. I would add Harrisonburg and Hagerstown also 85 is lacking so I would add South Hill. Get rid of Green Bank in WV and replace it with either Beckley or Lewisburg.

East St Louis will be lumped as St Louis.

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#108 Post by krmarci » 20 Feb 2021 22:31

flight50 wrote:
20 Feb 2021 15:13
@krmarci not too bad. There are a few holes that could dense up the map a tad more though.

Mississippi - Gulfport or Biloxi will be marked. Whatever isn't marked will get absorbed by the other more than likely. Biloxi is more tourist like so its probably the one to get absorbed. Gulfport makes much more sense as it where the most ATS worthy industries are located.

Alabama - Gadsden won't be missed. Its a 100k population city. It gets us something East on I-59. It can even cheat Northeast a little to give more space to Birmingham.

Florida - Pensacola can't be missed. It will have to squeeze in one way or another. There is a 58.6 mile difference in Mobile and Pensacola. SCS should be able to get that to work.

South Carolina - Myrtle Beach can go unmarked. Conway has a shot at getting absorbed by it to make the metro area a bit larger. Between US-17 and Business US-17, that area can come to life for sure.
Spartanburg - It might be tight but we have similar cities in the game already that is the same distance.

North Carolina - Winston-Salem is on the bubble. It can slide West more or get absorbed by Greensboro. Durham and Chapel Hill should get absorbed by Raleigh to make a metro area.
Jacksonville - is 70k strong. Its 53 miles from Wilmington and allows US-17 to continue

Virginia - Harrisonburg. Its right off I-81. Winchester - same thing. Not enough marked on I-81.

Maryland - Hagerstown. Anther marked on I-81. Too big if a gap from Roanoke to Harrisburg.

Pennsylvania - Allentown. SCS went here for the Anthem. There is a Mack facility here off PA-100. Not to mention the city is off I-78 which can't be missed.
York, Lancaster and Reading have legit shots a being small marked cities.
Wilke-Barre could be the marked town and Scranton absorbed.

Ohio - Youngstown should make I-80. Akron is iffy. It might get absorbed by Cleveland unless SCS pushes Cleveland North into the water.
Lima - Perfect to break up Toledo and Dayton on I-75
Sandusky - Something to break up Cleveland and Toledo
Chilicothe or Galispolis/Point Pleasant along US-35

Rhode Island - I honestly give it a more than most. There was a post yesterday in which I added Westerly and Newport. One city just doesn't sit well for me.

Connecticut - Hartford, Danbury, Waterbury and Torrington. Northwich or New London/Groton has a shot. We have a couple of cities in the game that are along a river on two sides. If we get these two, Westerly can be affected. Either is go smaller, shift East or omitted.

Massachusetts - Worcester, Lowell, Haverhill. At least 1-2 of these

New Hampshire - Portsmouth

Maine - Presque Isle/Caribou to be the Northern most part in the US on the East coast. Houlton to be the last US city prior to the border crossing

Wisconsin - Superior. This might be like Portland, Or and Vancouver, Wa. Both can't go in the same dlc.
Rockland, Belfast, Ellensworth, Calais....something other than scenic should go along US-1.
Something along US-201 to get to Quebec City.
Something along in Western Maine on US-2. Rumford is perhaps the best fit.

Vermont - Newport as the Northern most city on I-91. Saint Albans/Swanton as Northern most on I-89.

New York - Malone to get something on US-11. Too vacant in Northern New York.

West Virginia - Parkersburg. US-50 has a good shot of going cross the country from coast to coast

Indiana - Muncie. This help occupy US-35
Logansport - Something to break up West Lafayette and Fort Wayne
I included most of your suggestions. Changes/Questions:
  • I considered Spartanburg too close to both Greenville and Charlotte to be included. However, I think it might replace Greenville.
  • Pennsylvania is where it gets hard. You name three cities that are quite close to a major city (Philadelphia). I only included Reading for now as it seems that that is the largest and also has more space than the other two. I don't quite get why Wilkes-Barre (which looks smaller) should replace Scranton, I would be interested in your explanation.
  • I added Sandusky, but it might be too small. Maybe it has some interesting industry?
  • Rhode Island stays one city due to aforementioned reasons. Westerly is a big maybe.
  • Added Hartford, CT. Five cities for such a small state is slightly overkill.
  • Added Worcester, MA. Lowell and Haverhill seem too close to Boston and Manchester (NH). Maybe something important on the southern peninsula of Massachusetts?
  • "Rockland, Belfast, Ellensworth, Calais" - cannot find any of those in Wisconsin except Rockland. Sorry, you jumped back to Maine? Added all but Belfast.
  • Malone is slightly too small, and Cornwall, Canada fills that role (if you own that DLC).
rbsanford wrote:
20 Feb 2021 16:38
I think it would be a good idea to add Prairie du Chien to Wisconsin, just to have something in the Driftless Area. Maybe Appleton should also be marked, with Neenah as a scenic extension (there's a foundry there that makes pretty much all the manhole covers and sewer grates in my city), but it might be too close to Green Bay. Sturgeon Bay would work, as would either Marinette or Menominee. I second that Superior should be included; Duluth/Superior would be a perfect pair of marked cities like Portland/Vancouver.

Illinois could use Moline and East St. Louis. Similarly, Indiana should include Gary.

Michigan should have Ironwood marked instead of Watersmeet, there's just a bit more going on there. It would also be nice to also have the Michigan Sault Ste. Marie instead of just the Ontatio one. I think it could also use Muskegon. If you add scenic towns to this map, don't forget Mackinaw City, that place is beautiful. I've been there a few times IRL, and have driven across the bridge; I can't wait to do that in ATS.

I also agree with pretty much all of flight's suggestions, and I would add Barnstable to Massachusetts. Overall though, this concept map is pretty solid.
  • Green Bay and Fond du Lac would probably absorb Appleton and Neenah. Sturgeon Bay doesn't seem important enough...
  • Ironwood and Watersmeet don't seem exclusive. Added both.
  • Added Barnstable, was looking for something there.
Larry71490 wrote:
20 Feb 2021 21:44
Good start but lot of dead space in VA. I would add Harrisonburg and Hagerstown also 85 is lacking so I would add South Hill. Get rid of Green Bank in WV and replace it with either Beckley or Lewisburg.

East St Louis will be lumped as St Louis.
Keeping Green Bank due to radio telescope special transports. Added Lewisburg. Agree on St. Louis.

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Re: East Coast Speculation Thread

#109 Post by dk00? » 21 Feb 2021 00:02

I would have more than just Trenton for New Jersey. Newark has one of the busiest ports in the country, doesn't make sense to leave it out regardless of how close it is to New York City.

Also, Atlantic City. Yes, there's Casinos and casinos have restaurants and stores in them, so another prefab that can be added. Heck, this could even give Las Vegas some more prefabs.

Trenton is the state capital, but it doesn't offer much.

Virginia would be cool to have the shipyards, same with Maine. Virginia: Norfolk. Maine: Bath and or Kittery.
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#110 Post by flight50 » 21 Feb 2021 00:42

My suggestions and opinions are just my thoughts. Doesn't mean I am right or necessary wrong about them though. When I guesstimate, I consider real life mileage to next largest town, population, vicinity to roads I speculate make the game and industries. What I go by is Spokane/CDA, Boise/Nampa and even larger and up coming, Dallas/Ft. Worth. Those all are about 30 miles in distance yet they are in the game or will make the game. Anything shorter than 30 miles gets absorbed by the larger city. Dallas/Ft. Worth are the two largest cities you may find in the US that are about 30 miles apart. Any city smaller than those to should work in ATS.

Spartanbug to Charlotte is 73.8 miles apart. More than enough space. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Greenvi ... 0869?hl=en

Greenville to Spartanburg is 37.3 miles apart. More than enough space for mid sized cities. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Spartan ... 6176?hl=en

-I'd give Greenville the node if only one had to come.

-Wilkes-Barre/Scranton will be a metroplex area. Either could get the name and the other absorbed. I know of Wilkes-Barre but I don't know anything of Scranton. Just preference

-York, Lancaster and Reading was meant to be stated as 1-2 make it but not necessarily all 3. It depends on what roads SCS adds. Lancaster has US-30. We have US-30 in the game and if it continues West to East, Lancaster has a good shot. York is right off of US-30 and I-83. It can be a small marked town or scenic. Doesn't matter. That leaves Reading as the odd ball. Reading is between I-76 and I-78. We need a US hwy to access it. It could be a tight squeeze for I-78 and I-76 which would squeeze out Reading perhaps if SCS doesn't rescale the East.

-Sandusky has Sandusky South as well. Both will come together. There is retail industry in South Sandusky. US-6 runs right thru there. We need something off it. Sandusky is also on the water. Space and easily be made by pushing it North into the water. As mentioned, Sandusky splits Toledo and Cleveland. Otherwise its 114 miles between those two. Doable but at least have Sandusky as scenic and add a depot to it from Cleveland or Toledo.

-Worcester to Boston is 47 miles apart. More than enough space. Worcester doesn't have to be huge just because its marked. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Worcest ... 0825?hl=en

-For Worcester, Lowell and Haverhill I mention 1-2, not all 3. Worcester would be the lock for me which means either Lowell or Haverhill. We need something off I-495. Lowell is 30.3 miles from Boston. Haverhill to Boston is 36.6. Haverhill gives more distance and is further North. I'd give it the node if I had to choose.

-Sorry I mixed up Maine with Wisconsin. I didn't put it in the correct spot. I'll swap it around.

-Malone is 14k in population. We have cities in Wyoming, Nevada, Oregon, Idaho and Utah that are smaller than it. Cornwall is Canada. I wouldn't depend on Canada to populate Northern New York. Cornwall probably won't even make the game with Montreal and Ottawa being close. I wouldn't bother shooting roads that direction. US-11 should be the Northern most road along the NY border as it connects I-87 to I-81.

Looks like I totally skipped NJ altogether. Definitely agree on Newark. That can't be missed. Atlantic City is iffy. Mainland yes and the island part as scenic from the main land. Not enough industry to drive there unless its for a view point. I'd also try to get something in the South like Millville or Vineland. US-9 should continue to Lewes. Looks like they allow semi trucks under Long Vehicles. https://www.cmlf.com/rvs-long-vehicle-information

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