Re: Potential New PC Build, Thoughts?
Posted: 12 Sep 2020 19:27
Speaking of games which does not truly support multicore, you should look at clock speed and cache above number of cores
Lucky bastard. I'm kicking myself for not buying them when I seen them that low back in July, but I had just started this journey and hadn't made up my mind yet. Never thought they'd cost $50-60 more a month later lol. I really screwed myself and now I don't know long I'll have to wait.
Same here. My current PC is an Intel, and when I decided to build a new one a couple months ago, I looked at the Intel i series first, but it didn't take me long to figure out the AMD Ryzen series was so much better in the bang for buck category, so it was an easy decision. Plus the future proofing/upgradability was important and AMD will be using the same socket through Gen 4, whereas Intel always rolls out a new socket every time. Which is what prevented me from upgrading my current 12 yo PC lol. Not without getting a new motherboard anyway.
Yeah for games it's not as important, just like 16GB of RAM would be enough, but I plan to do some multimedia work with this rig too, video editing/rendering, and I work with some pretty intense spreadsheets. Plus I want to do more multitasking lol, so the more cores the better. It's also why I'm trying to squeeze into 32GB of RAM. Stupid RAM prices were supposed to drop here in Q3 of 2020, but it still hasn't budged. Some game playing would be nice too ofc, but I'm not really into any of the popular AAA titles out there, and playing them on ultra settings isn't important either. Although I say that now because I'm currently using a 12yo PC that can only handle games like ATS on medium settings lol. Who knows what I'll get into once I have more options.
Indeed, which is why I switched to AMD this time. I also looked into switching from Nvidia to AMD with GPU's, but sadly unlike in the CPU department where AMD has become king, they still seem far behind Nvidia in the GPU department, so I'm sticking with Nvidia there.
All good points, especially about competition. It's definitely needed. In fact I wish we had more than 2 options. We need some other companies to step up their game in the CPU and GPU departments. GPU prices are ridiculously high, and I think it's because Nvidia doesn't have much competition, even from AMD.Some newbie driver wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020 20:01The best demonstration of how recent prices of Intel CPU doesn't reflect it's real value is the enormous price cut they made on 9th gen high-tier CPUs when they saw the AMD competence was pushing them out of the ring. Such cut still make people more angry, because it was a clear statement of the overprice they had to pay all the years that AMD was not a real competition with the FX. Now we have competence, that's good for us, but it would be good only if the competence keeps existing. In the very hypothetic scenario where AMD swept out Intel for a long time on the desktop market or even on the mobile one, we can't be sure that AMD would not fall in similar nasty practices abusing of its position.
That's a good point, ignore my rant above, I wrote it before I saw your message. Frustration mounting lol. I feel like I can't do much with my current PC anymore, and I just want to get back to working on stuff. And it's still weird how any shortage or production shift has only affected the 3600 chips though.Some newbie driver wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020 20:45It's being out of stock probably because most of the production capacity has been switched already to produce 4th gen Ryzens for when it arrives the launch date this year. And also to produce enough chips for the new XboX and Playstation consoles too. So, less production and a stable demand cause that.
I hope you're right. If we see a decent drop there then I'll probably get the R7 3700x. Or worst case scenario, I at least wait to see what gen 4 options and prices are available. I hate being the first one to try new technology though.
Haha yeah I've already seen everyone panicking about possible site crashes and being worried about not getting one. TBH it should be driving down prices already because I know tons of people have stopped buying GPU's, waiting for the new 30 series instead. The 2080ti's especially. Who's going to pay more than $500 for one those now? And that should have a trickle down effect.
You have to understand how CPUs are manufactured. Intel or AMD (and specially AMD due it's highly modular architecture) doesn't manufacture lots of specific CPU models. They manufacture a basic design that it's common for LOTS of CPU models on the same generation and then, once tested it's performance, the final performance will be enforced depending on the test results and thus the chip will be labeled.
Yes, I don't like to be a laboratory rat neither. It was what happened me with my old FX and that's why I waited to replace it until Ryzen 3rd gen (I was waiting for all the details to be polished enough).
You are an informed consumer and that's why you know you should no purchase a 20 series GPU now. Of all the people you could see on a computer store, how many do you think they are informed like you? You know they will be very few. Why to lower prices now then? Let's try to sell for the full price the last possible cards before forcefully had to drop it's price. That's what retailer's managers think in those situations. Prices will not drop until release and the fear of some people is that, if the shortage is big enough, the price drop will take more time to arrive. Nobody expected the difference between previous and new gen of NVidia to be so big. NVidia has clearly noticed AMD shadow on it's back and break their artificial limits on the next-gen step-ups to try to gain as much distance as possible before AMD strikes. Counterpart of this is probably a future "40 series" will take a lot longer into arrive or the difference with 30 series will be very small and not worthy of change if having already a 30 one.