@Lolsmurf I'm not the only one against this but as usual, I get called out for my comments, lol. Its cool but I'll explain.
Your comment about ProMods is a head scratcher for me. Why would I ask ProMods to split up their map? The entire team is doing Canada, not several modders. They are not merging with Canadream. Here is the biggest difference for me:
Who is doing ProMods Canada - ProMods.....one team
Who is doing Mexico - Reforma, PaZz, Hugoces, Jordi and I think someone else. I don't know who did Baja
Who is doing US - SCS...but its their game
Each large area in the US and Canada is done by 1 team in which the quality is fairly consistent across the page. Obviously SCS has gotten better over time just like a good map modder would do so the older areas get outdated. Is everything perfect in US and Canada, no but its consistent. Look at how many people are doing Mexico. Baja, Viva, Extremo and Messimap. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. I'd rather play map mods that are on the same quality level. Mexico is not that...sorry. If Reforma did all of Mexico, different story but I will not force myself to play or load such a project. Loading up Mexico but not going there is not a valid solution. Why would I take up hard drive space for something I don't want. If I don't want Canada, I can unload it. If I don't want any US state, I don't have to buy it. Reforma consolidation, we have zero options with this combined. Options......they are removed now. It makes sense to merge all of Mexico. I can agree with that. It doesn't compute to merge in the US with it though. Just my opinion. You don't see ProMods going into the US besides connecting roads. Its SCS's game so eventually they'll go across borders.
PaZz has done a great job with his mod. He does a great job with quality with very few bugs. He's gotten better and better over time. SN is a good quality map now as over time, fixed a lot of their bugs. Very fast mapping but many bugs that needed to be fixed. Huge map but very buggy in the beginning. I was part of the beta roll out so I seen a ton. Its very solid now and much better quality than what SN started with and compared to the non Reforma parts of Mexico. If SN and PaZz combined, not a huge issue there. I'd support that. It's no fault of map mod fans that one team decided to take on projects from two different countries done by different people. Not everyone wants to go into Mexico and why should they even load it if they don't want it. If it easier for the modders to work with less files, that is understood. No issues with that. If I don't like it, I just won't play. No biggie. I won't complain about it. I'm not the modder. I already unsubscribed to this thread. The only reason I am responding now is because you quoted me. I'm not complaining though but if I don't support the decision, what's the point of me tracking this thread anymore, SN or even being part of the Reforma discord if I have chosen to not support the consolidation. As mentioned, good luck to you guys. I am just one of a few that does not like the decision. The mods will go on with or without me. I'm no one to hold up the move.
I agree with @koolizz. If a poll was done here, it would speak for itself. There is a different audience on this forum vs who keeps track of Reforma/PaZz on Discord. Reforma doesn't really come here anymore so the decision was influenced my Discord only. At the end of the day, its the map modders decision to do as you guys please. But like koolizz said, some people just want the US enhancements. I don't mind Mexico by PaZz and Reforma but the option to not load the rest of Mexico could have been an option. Reforma is also doing a huge portion of West Texas in which I don't want to see. SCS hasn't even gone there yet but its being done by Reforma. Not all of SCS's new work needs enhancements imho. US expansion is no longer around so we can't get missed SCS roads anymore. If Reforma took more of a US expansion roll and just add missing roads, cool. Their goal seems too large of a project imo. How about just focus on redoing all of Mexico. SN and PaZz are solid. You guys are doing too much imho. SCS has upped their game for me so I'll just stick with them and ProMods. SN and PaZz became a great solution for the outdated base map. SCS has been influenced by such projects I'm sure and is now rebuilding it....let them upgrade it. Not everything they do is bad. Comparing the base map to SN or PaZz is unfair because the time frame in which the projects where done is years apart.
If anything goes wrong with Mexico, that is the entire mod hung up until a fix comes. I run 3 profiles in ATS. Profile 1 - original profile from June 2016 with light mods that don't typically break on SCS update. No maps, trucks or trailers mods. Profile 2 - virgin beta profile started with 1.32 and Profile 3 - heavy mods profile started when SN came. Everything in Profile 1 but with maps, truck and trailer mods along with anything else like traffic mods, car packs or whatever that I like is on Profile 3. When maps, trailers or trucks are not updated, I play Profile 1 til updated. At the end of the day, its a quality issue for me with Mexico. Not all of Mexico is quality for me. Not even close. Quality is one of the biggest immersion breakers for me. Its very frustrating. Yet I do not complain. I just don't use the map mod, simple as that. Same with trucks and trailer mods. I respect what modders do. I don't mod but I respect people's time and effort. I've donated to every modder generously that I appreciate and support if I am content with their mod. In a nutshell, if I'm not content, I can't support it. Sorry, but like I mentioned, good luck to you guys and to your fans. The project will go on.
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