Freightliner Trucks by XBS

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#752 Post by pigbrother » 23 Sep 2020 15:59

Is there a mod with more engines and if not, could someone tell me which engines were used in the second half of the 80s and early 90s on such a truck so I can grab them from other mods?

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Re: Freightliner Trucks by XBS

#753 Post by ArcXGamer » 23 Sep 2020 18:41

kriechbaum has a engine pack which you can find in the sound mods area and somewhere in this forum is a link to a patch which adds kriechbaums engine sounds to the flc what i heard is the cat 3406e came with the flc very realistic(i watch a retired but was a professional american trucker drive this truck he said cat3406e was what they would have in the flc back in the 80s early 90s) as the default sounds are supposedly 3406e cat engines @pigbrother

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Re: Freightliner Trucks by XBS

#754 Post by xTHANATOPSISx » 23 Sep 2020 21:49

@ArcXGamer The Cat 3406E wasn't available until ~1993. 80s trucks would have had (early) 3406A or (mid and late) 3406B (PEEC B models available starting in '86) and some late 80s trucks into the mid 90s trucks would have had an option for a 3406C mechanical/PEEC engine starting in '91 I think, alongside the B and E models through MY '95 where the E became the only option for a 3406 in a on-road application at least in the US. I think that's all roughly correct. Not sure on the end and start for the A/B models.

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#755 Post by ArcXGamer » 23 Sep 2020 22:40

oh sorry thanks for the information im from uk so i do not know that much more or less much information on american trucks and stuff like that but its good to know the information for future reference

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#756 Post by loco4string » 24 Sep 2020 14:23

Ok So for those wondering the FLC was only in production from 1977-1987 with a redesign in 1984 which also brought the setback front axle. The FLD was in production from 1987-2010, and the Classic/Classic XL from 1990-2010. So the 95 would not have been a FLC it would have been a FLD. As far as engines I do believe it was either a CAT C15 or a Detroit 8V92. The Series 60 I believe came out in 87 as an option. The 3406E was produced in 1993, So it would have to be 3406A, 3406B, or 3406C. So if you are going for time accurate there are the timeframes to make it period correct. Not sure about Cummins, then again not a big Cummins fan anyhow, I prefer the tried and true DD60 or CAT C15. Besides the T600A from Kenworth the FLC is probably one of my favorite trucks IRL, one of the first models to use aerodynamics.

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#757 Post by xTHANATOPSISx » 24 Sep 2020 22:02

@loco4string The C15 is a different engine than the 3406, though it's largely derivative in design. C15 and C15 ACERT are also two different generations and substantially different internally and externally (single vs dual sequential turbos, different cranks, different pistons and liners, different rods, different injectors, different final displacement, different compression ratios, different ECMs and harnesses, different jake brake housings, different jake risers, lack of presence of a air to water intake air pre-cooler, lack or presence of intake valve actuators and associated oil feed line, it goes on and on and some parts can mix and match while others can't). 3406 ran until '99, replaced by the C15. The C15 was replaced in 2004 buy the C15 ACERT. There are also C16 and C16 ACERT engines. Where it really gets involved is breaking down each generation by serial number prefix. Different major and minor revisions. For instance the C15 6NZ is largely considered the best electronic cat overall.

It really gets messy when you start including non-US or bus/firetruck applications. As far as I know the C18 was offered as a truck engine, but only really in Australia. There's a high-horse C12 application for fire trucks and I think bus/coach applications. CAT made a TON of different engines that we didn't see much of in trucking applications in the US that theoretically were just software differences. That doesn't even get into the parts swapping one could do to make monster truck engines using marine application parts.

Fun fact: The block is the same between the ACERT C15, C16 and C18. The rotating assembly and liners are different between each to varying degrees, as are the injectors, cam and turbos. Mixing these parts can make usable truck engines topping 1500 hp with the right software. Obviously CAT and their "good boy" shops will have nothing to do with such combinations, but they are possible and actually more common than many might think. There are some seriously mean trucks lurking out there.

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Re: Freightliner Trucks by XBS

#758 Post by loco4string » 24 Sep 2020 23:27

I knew the 3406 and C15 were relatively similar with of course the difference being the ECM of the C15. I like many others still consider the 3406 to be the early C15. Most of the FLCs I have been around were either CATs or DD60s (a few were gliders). Now that would be a cool option for this mod a true glider kit with a standup custom sleeper. Unfortunately I do not know how to mod. The C18 was used in marine operations I do know that much.

I love learning all the fine details that make my choices more educated. With the older trucks I want period correct engines so for this I usually go with a 3406. I am a gear head and have worked on every type of engine including jet engines so it appeals to my mechanical nature to learn about the engines.
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Re: Freightliner Trucks by XBS

#759 Post by Trucker_71 » 25 Sep 2020 02:45

@xTHANATOPSISx I owned a new '88 Western Star with a 3406 Cat back in the day, would that have been the B version?

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Re: Freightliner Trucks by XBS

#760 Post by jackpeterbilt » 25 Sep 2020 05:12

Cat c15 is a 3406 stroker

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