Ireland pre-research tips

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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#11 Post by Omicron13 » 02 Jan 2020 21:55

REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
Cities:
Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick, Waterford

(Suggested) Towns:
Sligo, Castlebar, Tralee, Wexford, Port Laoise, Athlone, Dundalk
These towns may/will not fit: Mullingar (could be scenery town), Clonmel (could be scenery town), Arklow, Kilkenny (too close to Waterford and Port Laoise), Dundalk (too close to Newry)

(Suggested) Scenery towns
Letterkenny (if it will fit - close to (London)derry), Charlestown, Tuam, Newcastle-West, Killarney, Macroom, Mallow, Tipperary, Youghal and/or Dungarvan, Birr, Longford, Carrick-on-Shannon, Carrick-on-Suir (not on map), Tullamore, [New Ross], [Enniscorthy]

Ports/harbours
Dublin Port (to Holyhead), Rosslare (to Fishguard/Pembroke & Roscoff/Cherbourg)

Motorways & National Roads
Obviously not all of these will fit, these are just the roads that lead to the places I've listed above.
M50 - Dublin ring road; include sDublin Port Tunnel & M50 Tolls (between J6 & J7 and Dublin Port Tunnel)
M1 - Dublin towards Northern Ireland; N1 after Dundalk
M4 - Dublin to around Kinnegad; N4 - Coralstown towards Sligo & entering Dublin
M6 - Kinnegad towards Galway; N6 around Athlone & entering Galway
M7 - Dublin towards Limerick; N7 entering Dublin after Naas; includes MidLink M7/M8 toll in Co. Laois
M8 - Dublin to Cork (via M7) (N8 entering Cork)
M9 - Dublin to Waterford (via M7); N9 near Waterford)
N10 - road from M9 to Kilkenny, forms part of ring road
M11 - Dublin to Wexford (N11 along some parts, including around Wexford)
N13 & N15 - Sligo towards Northern Ireland via Letterkenny
N16 - Sligo towards Northern Ireland (to Enniskillen)
M17 - Rathmorrissy Interchange to Tuam; N17 after Tuam towards Sligo
M18 - Limerick to Rathmorrissy Interchange; N18 around Limerick
N20 - Limerick to Cork; M20 near Limerick
N21 - M20 towards Tralee
N22 - Cork towards Tralee
N23 - Joins N21 & N22
N24 - Limerick towards Waterford via Clonmel
N25 - Cork towards Rosslare Harbour
N27 - N8 in Cork towards Cork Airport Business Park (but only needs to go as far as the N40)
[N30 - Enniscorthy towards New Ross]
N40 - forms southern part of Cork ring road
N52 - J26 M7 to Birr, Tullamore to J5 M6, J4 M6 to Mullingar
N60 - N17 towards Castlebar (could also add N5 as well or instead)
N62 - Birr to J8 M6
N77 - forms part of Kilkenny ring road, to Port Laoise
N80 - Port Laoise to Tullamore

[R723 - formerly N25, from Glenmore Roundabout through New Ross to Ballymacar Roundabout.] No need for this road, Google Maps has Street View for the new section of the N25.
[R772 - formerly N11, from the roundabout where the M11 joins the current N11 (towards Wexford) through Enniscorthy to Clogh Roundabout.] No need for this road, Google Maps has Street View for the new section of the M11.
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Roads under construction/recently completed construction
M7 around Naas is being widened to 6 lanes (3+3) - has now been completed with one junction (future Sallins bypass) not yet opened - http://www.m7upgrade.com/
N25 New Ross bypass (including Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Bridge) - completed in early 2019 - https://www.n25newross.ie/
M11 Gorey-Enniscorthy bypass - opened in July last year - https://www.m11gtoe.ie/

Other points
  • Ireland is divided into 4 provinces (Munster, Leinster, Connacht & Ulster), which are further divided into counties (26 in ROI, 6 in NI). It would be nice to see these signs in-game. Examples: 1 & 2.
  • Irish language is displayed on road signs (please don't ignore like the Welsh ones...)
  • National roads (N1-N49) usually have hard shoulders, N50 onwards usually don't.
  • Speed limits:
    • Residential areas: 30km/h
    • Built-up areas: 50km/h
    • Local (L) & regional (R) roads: 80km/h
    • National (N) roads: 100km/h (80km/h for vehicles over 3.5 tonnes)
    • Motorways (M): 120km/h (90km/h for vehicles over 3.5 tonnes) (with the exception of the M50 - 100km/h)
    (more info)
  • In addition to these speed limits, please do not use this sign as either an indication of "end of restrictions" or "end of previous speed limit" - it simply doesn't exist in Ireland (a similar one is used but only for local roads). In its place should be a sign indicating the new speed limit.
  • Road sign font is Transport Heavy on ALL signs, with additional characters for letters ('A', 'a', 'm', 'n' & formerly 'i') used in the italic Irish text (e.g. https://imgur.com/QtYZbs3).
  • Route numbers (very very minor and unusual detail, but it is how it appears on signs - https://i.imgur.com/ImOGY0R.png) ((I understand if you don't include this :lol: ):
    • Motorway route numbers written in "Motorway" font (like the UK)
    • National route numbers written in "Transport Heavy", with the 'N' condensed
    • Local route numbers written in Transport Heavy (L is not condensed)
    • Regional route numbers written in Transport Heavy with the 'R' condensed
    • On motorway signs, due to the lack of "N" and "R" characters, they are written in Transport Heavy (https://i.imgur.com/Yt6gMla.png). The numbers are written in Motorway (example 1), although this is very inconsistent (example 2).
  • The majority of service stations are located off motorways - some notable ones include Barack Obama Plaza & Junction 14 Mayfield off the M7 & the Manor Stone Service Station off the M8.
  • There are very little (if any) speed cameras in Ireland. Instead, there are usually "speed vans" (e.g. Ford Transit Custom & Fiat Ducato) located at the sides of roads (usually national - I've never seen any on motorways). On motorways, Garda cars are (very rarely) located in bays (marked with "Garda Only" signs [example]).
  • Licence plates - see this Wikipedia article (notably "Format and specifications"). There is no specific font used (any sans serif font can be used). Charles Wright (like the UK or a lighter version) is quite common. Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4.
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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#12 Post by HRTrucking » 03 Jan 2020 21:08

For the port I'd take Rosslare over Cork. Rosslare gets ferries from Fishguard and Pembroke in Wales not just a ferry to France. Rosslare has a ferry to Spain as well, don't know if such long ferries are wanted in game though (I rather drive).

Dublin is a nice port close to the city. Think you're still allowed to drive from the ring road to the port through the centre on the R148 next to the river Liffey, or the Garda is just really friendly for a Dutch lorry driver :lol: .

Like someone said the port tunnel is toll free for trucks. We still need to stop for a barrier which then opens automatically.

New Ross would make a nice scenic place on the N25 from Rosslare to Limerick and Cork. New Ross has the Dunbrody Famine ship. https://maps.app.goo.gl/iqaBbR3iQsy4cKQ58
Ship as seen from the N25 E30. Driven past it quite often on my way to Askeaton / Limerick.

The Dunbrody Famine Ship Experience is a popular historical attraction in New Ross, Wexford. Centred on an authentic reproduction of an 1840s emigrant vessel, the attraction provides a fascinating interpretation of the famine emigrant experience
Copied from visit Ireland.

Tipperary as a scenic place on the N24 and could be used as a achievement "Welcome to Tipperary, you've come a long way". It's on a blue sign when you enter Tipperary, the place itself.

Barack Obama Plaza is a service area on the M7
Barack Obama Plaza
Junction 23 M7, Moneygall, Co. Offaly, E53 F342, Ierland
+353 505 45808
https://maps.app.goo.gl/RhoTCYmBQmFB9pxr9

And just for :lol: zoom in on the road sign with the deer :) . It seems the Irish deer are male. A lot of them seem to have been modified in this way.
E20
https://maps.app.goo.gl/s2995QTcsdizA4P69

Ireland will be nice when it comes. Love to drive there with my truck. People are mostly a lot more patient with trucks. And on N roads people move over to make place for each other to overtake.
And when you come from Rosslare and have to go to Limerick. You still have to drive a lot of N roads.

First time of the ferry in Ireland I asked a Garda how fast I was allowed to drive outside of villages. His answer still makes me smile :mrgreen: . Flat out will be fine, you're speed limited. An hour later I found out what he meant, when a Scania from O'Toole came flying past me and I was already doing 90km/h on a N road :o . Some still seem to be bit allergic to speed limiters in Ireland nowadays.

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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#13 Post by natjer3 » 03 Jan 2020 23:26

@HRTrucking great to hear the opinion of an Irish trucker. I have been to Ireland and yes it is very beautiful. I can immagine going into Tipperary, whilst hearing 'It's a long way to Tipperary'. I also think that adding the Jameson distillery in Cork would be an interesting depot (I have been there).

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#14 Post by HRTrucking » 04 Jan 2020 08:40

@natjer3 I'm Dutch, but the company I work for has some work to Ireland from time to time. Mostly to Askeaton in County Limerick.

Jameson would be nice yeah, been there as well when I had my weekend break in Cork. There's also a industrial estate close to the center of town and you can drive through the town over the bridges there.

I could imagine that with Tipperary as well. Think it would be a nice achievement as well with "you've come a long way". Maybe when you do a long job to Ireland and drive through Tipperary.

Guinness factory is in Dublin, then we could drive through Dublin when we go to the port :)

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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#15 Post by Omicron13 » 04 Jan 2020 12:10

I think the Guinness Brewery might be too far away for SCS to add it in, due to the scale, if you wish to go through the city centre (R148) as well as to the port. The M50 Port Tunnel seems like a better way. But I hope that we can drive in some of the centre, such as past the 3 Arena and the Convention Centre, even if it's a small bit like they did with St. Petersburg.
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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#16 Post by Janaff » 18 Jan 2020 23:27

Ireland-Britain Ferry Links
This is a sibling-post to the one in the UK re-research thread that aims to show and explain the ferry ports that should be included once Ireland is in the game. This list covers all 32 counties, or at least some of the eastern coastal ones.
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Larne
Sails to: Cairnryan
Operated By: P&O Ferries

Located 19 miles north of Belfast, serving as a sort-of secondary freight port for the city as it is the shortest Britain-Ireland route.

Map of Larne
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Belfast
Sails to: Cairnryan, Heysham, Birkenhead
Operated By: Stena Line

Map of port to Cairnryan
Map of port to Heysham and Birkenhead

As a side-note, a must-include dockland landmark is the bright yellow Samson and Goliath cranes (visible from the freight port).
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Warrenpoint
Sails to: Heysham
Operated By: Seatruck

Map of Warrenpoint

Located south-east of Newry, this port is right on the Northern/Republic border, with just a small river dividing the two. There are plenty of great cross-border views on the approach to it (be sure to include Narrow Water Castle!), and I'd put it in the game just for geographical uniqueness alone.
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Dublin
Sails to: Heysham, Bootle, Holyhead
Operated By: Seatruck (Heysham and Bootle), P&O Ferries (Bootle), Irish Ferries and Stena Line (Hollyhead)

Map of Irish Ferries port
Map of Stena Line port
Map of Seatruck port
Map of P&O Ferries port
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Rosslare
Sails to: Fishguard, Pembroke
Operated By: Stena Line (Fishguard), Irish Ferries (Pembroke)

Map of Rosslare

Honestly, I'm struggling to figure this place out; I've never been to Rosslare. Anyone able to show how exactly trucks pass through Rosslare?

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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#17 Post by Omicron13 » 19 Jan 2020 20:31

I've been to Rosslare many times. This map probably won't show it. I'm not entirely sure whether or not the ferry docks are assigned like I've done, it just where I see the particular ferries everytime. Also not sure whether or not the waiting area you marked (near the Stena Line dock) is in fact a waiting area. Quoting Mohegan13, I reserve the right to be 100% wrong.
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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#18 Post by Janaff » 20 Jan 2020 01:35

Now that I've gone back to Street View, I think your map is a lot more accurate. The thing that threw me off was me seeing this sign and at a glance mistaking one of the car images as a truck akin to this. Thank you for your contribution (and for being a clearer labeller than I am)!

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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#19 Post by Omicron13 » 01 Feb 2020 11:40

Traffic lights
Ireland uses a variety of traffic lights. The three most common are: example 1a & example 1b (a form of Alustar ["Techmiracle"]), example 2 (aka "Mellor"/"Plessey") and example 3a, example 3b & example 3c (aka "Siemens optic"/"Siemens Helios"/"LED optic").
The first one is very common in Dublin, although it can be seen in other places such as Clonmel and Enniscorthy. The third is very similar/the same as used in the UK in real life, but slimmer than the ones currently used in ETS2.
Some traffic lights have arrows filters: while some have arrows filters in all three colours (red, orange and green), it is extremely uncommon. Instead, it is usually only the green light that has an arrow filter (example 3b). Traffic lights may have arrow filters on a separate traffic light (full [example 3b] or displaying no red light [example 3c]). Others may have (flashing) amber arrows, usually diagonal (example), which means you may pass freely but most often have to yield to traffic soon after.
Traffic light sequence: green > amber > red > green
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Re: Ireland pre-research tips

#20 Post by HRTrucking » 03 Feb 2020 20:23

Omicron13 wrote:
19 Jan 2020 20:31
I've been to Rosslare many times. https://i.imgur.com/w5eXmPY.png]This mapprobably won't show it. I'm not entirely sure whether or not the ferry docks are assigned like I've done, it just where I see the particular ferries everytime. Also not sure whether or not the waiting area you marked (near the Stena Line dock) is in fact a waiting area. Quoting Mohegan13, I reserve the right to be 100% wrong.
You got it right. Although we normally just get our tickets in the office and drive straight to the ferry or wait for it to arrive inside the docks.
Waiting area is only used by people who don't want to walk or don't know you can get tickets earlier. Or if you want to go shopping in Rosslare.

Waiting inside the docks is chaos normally. Most of the time freight traffic for Irish will sit with the water on the left just before the 2 Irish Ferries. Or with the water on the right towards the Irish Ferries. Parking on the right near Stena has trucks parked towards the Stena so not on the water side.

Maybe a detail for map makers on the quay next to the Stena are usually some new Scania trucks parked up.

When I got my tachograph on ferry crossing it's easier to be parked inside the docks and hope dispatch booked Stena to Fishguard, Fishguard has a good parking in town.
Hopefully SCS never introduces ferry crossing times and this crazy rule the EU made for ferry crossings when you're out of time. Even the instructors get it wrong :lol:

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