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Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 16 Jul 2020 13:21
by NewCoolMapper
Hey, hope it's not too late.
I just wanted to give some ideas on landscapes for the A2, that I remember after my trip to the ALGARVE, and some tips on navigation signs.

Let's start from the south:

The Serra do Caldeirão is probably the biggest mountain range in the south of Portugal, (maybe serra de Monchique is bigger in area, idk), and it has some amazing landscapes. It makes the border between Alentejo and Algarve and I hope SCS includes these landscapes as a part of the A2 highway.
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Then we get to the deep Alentejo, where in this time of the year 40ºC are the normal and where you don't want to stop at all unless you want to sweat :D I remember passing this little village visible near the highway, it's called Gomes Aires and it's just before the Almodôvar exit (which I don't think there's space to make) - if you come from the A22. Just wanted to leave here the picture in case you guys are interested.
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Here it's even hotter, and it's one of the most common landscapes in the Alentejo. Literally (almost) nothing. :)
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Only 90 kms away from Lisbon, and already in the north of Alentejo Litoral, we have one of the most beautiful cities (at least for me) in the Alentejo. It's called Alcácer do Sal, and it's one of the oldest european cities, founded before 1000 a.C. I'm not expecting SCS to make it thanks to scale but I think the Rio Sado view would surely make justice to the city's beauty.
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Now about signs and in particular in the highways:

2000m before the exit we have this "far-exit" signs, as I call them:
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1000m before the exit we have the "close-exit" signs, another made-up name, for this:
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750m before the exit we get these signs, they exist also 500m and 250m before the exit (which the corresponding distance, obviously):
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This ones I'm sure you know. Remember they usually appear right before the hw2-hw3 transition.
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Near to the exit prefab, there are always this direction signs, I hope you won't forget them also.
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And after the exit (I don't think there's a specified distance, in some highways it's 200m after the exit, in others 1km), we have distance signs. I know it's something SCS usually doesn't do but I hope they won't forget them in Portugal, as they're important for navigation, especially for foreigners also.
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I think this sums up everything I wanted to say today. ;)

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 23 Jul 2020 11:55
by NewCoolMapper
Hey :)

I don't know if I'm still on time, but :(

I quickly drew this map of the southern part of the country:
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I'm (almost) sure the blue roads will be done as they're essential. Believing SCS is adding Sines (which is very likely thanks to some pictures we go that looked like Sines, I would suggest SCS to add the beautiful roads of Costa Vicentina, making a beautiful trip from Sines to Faro or to Spain, via the national roads and not the A2. The Costa Vicentina is one of the most beautiful parts of the country and has beautiful towns like Vila Nova de Milfontes and Porto Côvo, which could be made as scenery villages. And then we would have the rest of the A22 which wouldn't be made otherwise, from Bensafrim and Lagos to Albufeira. From my tests, this all fits into the 1:19 scale, because the national roads are very far away from the A2. I hope SCS makes these roads and these beautiful landscapes!

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The roads I believe you should include:
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Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 23:29
by dsf.fernando
I liked that road concepts, but still think Evora and Beja are must cities for many reasons, like historic or economic significance, besides not letting Alentejo too empty

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 10:15
by NewCoolMapper
My concept doesn’t leave Beja or Évora out, I was just talking about Alentejo Litoral there.

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 01 Aug 2020 15:33
by dsf.fernando
I gonna need someone to explain better the context of the Itinerários Complementares, because i often see mentions to the ICs and cannot grasp what they exactly are

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 01 Aug 2020 16:35
by JoaoRabit

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 06 Aug 2020 19:39
by NewCoolMapper
Hey, again!
I hope it's not too late but because it's prefab-related I believe there's still time.
I just wanted to tell SCS that our roads and interchanges have two things that aren't yet in SCS and that I think could have the potential to be very neat details.

1. Reflective lines

As there are no pics on the internet about this, I'll use some of mine (so sorry for the bad res):
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(A23, Abrantes Norte exit)

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(A23, Alcanena exit - 1st after the A1)

It's visible that lines in portuguese roads (not only in highways but in newer national roads as well - like the one below) are reflective. It would be cool if SCS also made this. (oh, and don't forget those corner signs, reflective as well!)
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(N238 after the Sertã roundabout)

2. Reflective lights

They were visible also on the picture of that national road (up here). In more important and newer 1+1 and 1+2 roads they do exist a lot (for example, the IP2 - I believe, and the IC8 - that picture was taken on the N238, btw).
On the highways and smaller motorways, they're also in the exit prefab.

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(IC8, N238 exit - Sertã Oleiros)

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(A13, IC9 Fátima Ourém Tomar Norte exit)

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 08 Aug 2020 02:03
by dsf.fernando
So let me understand, they are not roads per se, but just routes traced from one city to another? That's a confunding aspect, i can't remember of other countries having similar things, at least in ETS2

Re: Portugal pre-research tips

Posted: 10 Aug 2020 20:46
by dsf.fernando
Cities that could featured as villages (villages in Portugal are often characterized as parishes of cties)

- Caldas da Rainha (50k inhabitants, second most important city in the Leiria district. 50km away from Leiria and 90km from Lisbon. Home to a Schaeffler factory)
- Óbidos (11k inhabitants. Border with Caldas da Rainha. Its castle is one of the most important monuments in Portugal)
- Elvas (20k inhabitants. First Portuguese city after crossing the border with Badajoz. Its fortifications are a Worldwide Heritage Site)
- Batalha (15k inhabitants. Located 15km south of Leiria, its Monastery is a Worldwide Heritage Site)
- Alcobaça (55k inhabitants. Located 30km south of Leiria, its monastery was one of the first monuments in Portugal to be declared a Worldwide Heritage Site)