Running red light fines while turning right on red light [KNOWN]

[plykkegaard]

Win 10 64-bit, DX11
ATS init ver.1.41.0.28s (rev. 6f0e82a8e67e)
Always reproducible
No mods, vanilla game

Carson City

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Red light violation ;[05/06/2021 15:11:48] (sec-0026-0003);-101819;74.4995;-11742.7;0.558539;-0.0524662
Right on red violation ;[05/06/2021 15:25:35] (sec-0026-0003);-101818;74.5023;-11730.4;-2.0109;-0.417269

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OMG it's everywhere

Reno

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Right on red violation ;[05/06/2021 15:48:16] (sec-0026-0005);-102400;71.3424;-16793.1;0.395312;0.0340397
Right on red violation ;[05/06/2021 15:51:55] (se

[J.Random]

Holy crap it's broken. I just got a "red light violation" when I took right turn bypassing the traffic lights altogether on US-93 in Twin Falls ((sec-0019-0008);-75316.3;65.4667;-29078.1;1.69841;-0.0531098).
Still no fix, no fix ETA, or even a bug number acknowledging the issue. This is getting ridiculous.

[TruckerDog]

I have been driving for quite a while in some WIP builds paying attention to this matter. I have driven in many different places, turned right on red lights many times and I have not been able to get fines for doing that.

Are you all sure you stop behind the white marker and use the blinkers to turn right on red signals? Are you sure there was no oncoming traffic from your left?

That is why no answers or ETA was given yet, because so far we have not been able to reproduce this issue.

I'd like to thanks everyone who provided map coordinates. Seems as though that those are not enough. If you're able to provide a video of this happening ( and the associated map coordinates ), it will definitely help us to try identifying what is causing such problem.

[plykkegaard]

WTF, it's cool though
Maybe the conditions have changed?

The spots I reported obvious I did not take a full stop as to my epxerience has not been a problem
I will retry and record some videos not all interchanges gives an issue mainly whn you turn right into a priority road, not sure but it seems to be case

Thanks for all your efforts to reproduce the issue

[EDIT If you turn on your blinker a little too late the red light violation is triggered
Video will follow shortly
Anyways error reproduced repeatable

CA, Price

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Red light violation ;[15/06/2021 19:53:45] (sec-0016-0003);-62102.8;84.3733;-8916.8;-1.07205;-0.052362

[J.Random]

I have been driving for quite a while in some WIP builds paying attention to this matter. I have driven in many different places, turned right on red lights many times and I have not been able to get fines for doing that.

Are you all sure you stop behind the white marker and use the blinkers to turn right on red signals? Are you sure there was no oncoming traffic from your left?

That is why no answers or ETA was given yet, because so far we have not been able to reproduce this issue.

I'd like to thanks everyone who provided map coordinates. Seems as though that those are not enough. If you're able to provide a video of this happening ( and the associated map coordinates ), it will definitely help us to try identifying what is causing such problem.

Let's maybe stop testing it blindly? Could you check and tell us what _exactly_ is it that the game supposed to take into account? Do not invent stuff (like that bs about "upcoming traffic" - IRL rule which AI doesn't follow). Don't try to make it seem like the underlying logic is more complex than it actually is. Don't quote IRL rules (as people often do), like "the turn must start in the right lane and end in the right lane" because from the top of my head I know of at least one intersection where AI doesn't follow this rule. Literally, what's in the code? If something has changed compared to previous versions - tell us what it is. Because I'm sure that everybody who posted in this thread did exactly the same thing they did previously and were surprised by the game suddenly punishing it.

Edit: better yet, add verbose logging: if a player is fined, dump the location, the reason and all of the variables which led to the fine into the log.

[plykkegaard]

Its difficult to provoke

First clips were ok, next attempts was a red light violation and then fine
Same corner, sigh

@TruckerDog Video uploaded to youtube, coordinates in previous post

Watch on YouTube

[J.Random]

Here's another one:
https://mega.nz/file/C2xylBAZ#5Q6-Qdyo3 ... 4wZZl1Mfmk
(sec-0013+0005);-49476;72.3017;21514.7;1.19777;-0.100558

[TruckerDog]

Thanks for the videos and locations.

We might have identified the culprit of causing these problems, but it is something that won't be fixed for 1.41.

This is indeed very hard to reproduce and so far I do not have a specific repro case for it. For example I just tried that last prefab on the location from J.Random and I got the problem myself, but then I tried again over and over and I didn't get the problem anymore. These problems may happen because of specific prefabs.

We are due to to make some fixes to the traffic rules but just like I said, it won't happen in time for 1.41.

Thanks again for your help.

[J.Random]

@TruckerDog How about rolling back whatever you guys did in the code related to free right turns? I'm sure it's the code issue, since you never could be fined if you couldn't finish the right turn on green before the light changed to yellow. Now you can.
For normal intersection there is, of course, temporary workaround: not taking the right turn on red. But then there's this place, for example:
[ external image ]

You may get fined there if you turn right bypassing the traffic light!


Also, yes, you are very much due for the traffic rules revamp. 1.42 ABSOLUTELY MUST be focused on that and AI, for both games.

[MeckTruck]

I agree with the previous authors from my own experience the red light violations seem random and often illogical