Inconsistent speed limits at city edges [KNOWN]

[icy mcCoolName]

tl;dr - I've noticed several cities go from a 50mph highway into a 30mph zone, then for one reason or another immediately shift back to an unsigned 50mph zone, before going back to the unsigned 30mph zone. I noticed it again when arriving at Grimsby, UK and I finally remembered to take debug screenshots so I can actually write a bug report and find out if this is intended or not!

The game.log.txt*
Attached, taken from Grimsby.
The game.crash.txt* (In the event of a game crash.)
NA
Map co-ordinates.** (If the bug report pertains to the map or map asset include the co-ordinates.)
Grimsby Inconsistent Speed Limit ;[24/07/2021 20:30:27] (sec-0010-0007);-36890.6;78.1258;-26565.2;-2.0621;-0.193054
Grimsby limit 30 ;[24/07/2021 20:30:53] (sec-0010-0007);-36809.2;78.0117;-26492.8;-2.14028;-0.184969
Aberdeen Tunnel 30->50 ;[24/07/2021 21:16:31] (sec-0010-0014);-39417.6;96.4986;-54397.1;-1.05958;-0.123778
Aberdeen 50->30 ;[24/07/2021 21:17:29] (sec-0010-0014);-39068;90.7145;-54636.1;-0.470374;-0.104704
Glasgow Fuel 30->50 ;[24/07/2021 21:20:42] (sec-0013-0013);-49417.2;110.069;-48333.2;2.25651;-0.167035
Glasgow 50->30 ;[24/07/2021 21:21:20] (sec-0013-0013);-49655;108.395;-48326.5;1.85495;-0.302008

A screenshot with the mini map.
//Examples for Grimsby, UK.
50 -> 30 mph zone, signposted, correct
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30 -> 50 mph zone, unsignposted, limit changes approx where rear truck has stopped
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50 -> 30mph zone, unsignposted, limit changes approx where rear truck has stopped
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For Glasgow and Aberdeen, it'd be essentially the same thing, except either side of the tunnel at Aberdeen or the Fuel Station at Glasgow. I'd rather avoid another photoshoot of the same thing 3 or more times.

Description of bug.
Several cities have unmarked 30 - 50 - 30 mph zone in short succssion, especially when entering the city. I first noticed this in Aberdeen, then at the Fuel Station at Glasgow, and finally remembered to take screenshots when I noticed it again at Grimsby.
Expected: Zone is either 30mph consistently, or the short 30mph section is changed to 50mph and the speed signs are moved appropriately. This also affects interactions with the speed camera at Aberdeen.
Actual: Speed limit varies in these areas, which can trick players into speeding and in the case of Aberdeen (or a passing police car) results in a fine.
Version of game.
1.41.1s (64-bit)
PC operating system & whether it's 32bit or 64bit.
Win10 64bit
Reproducibility of the bug. (Always, sometimes, or random.)
Always.

Again, I'd like to stress that Grimsby, Aberdeen and Glasgow are only three examples I could think of at the time I thought to record it at Grimsby, I'm certain there are more road pieces like this.
I don't enjoy driving with a right-hand cab in mainland Europe, thus my examples are all from the UK. Uhehe...

[Madkine]

Town name signs double as speed change signs. You'll find this thoughout the UK (and from memory in Europe, I haven't played ETS2 in a while).

Not a bug.

[Steve Pitts]

@Madkine that might be the case in other European countries but the only signposts in the UK that change the speed limit are the red circles (or the derestriction sign). A white town limit sign is purely and simply informational and in fact they are not even documented in the Highway Code

[icy mcCoolName]

Town name signs double as speed change signs. You'll find this thoughout the UK (and from memory in Europe, I haven't played ETS2 in a while).

Not a bug.

You mean to say it's intentional to have one truck length of 30 mph, then a section of road that's 50 mph, into an immediate and unsigned 30mph zone?

As someone who doesn't have your experience with UK and European road rules, and so far a general lack of a road-sign tutorial in game, this is a very poor user experience if intentional.

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@Steve thanks for the link to the Highway code! I've found a few guides on Steam that explain a few things but this is much more comprehensive! Thanks! c:

[Madkine]

No longer sure and removed the not a bug designation. We'll see what SCS or the beta testers say.

[icy mcCoolName]

Having explored the Netherlands in-game a bit more recently, I just want to add that their Location Boards have a 50kph sign on them, and have a consistent speed limit when entering Rotterdam, Amsterdam or Groningen.

In-game UK instead has no speed limit shown on Location boards, but they're instead preceded by a 30mph sign.

I conclude that it's likely:
- The bug is an oversight when handling mph speed limits, as 30mph is almost 50 kph (48)
- The preceding 30mph signs are meant to be the main speed indicator in in-game UK, instead of having the speed limit on the town name.
- The bug is that the UK signs still set the speed to '50' until the next section of road, which is much faster when using miles per hour!

[icy mcCoolName]

I feel kinda disappointed this turned out to be a known issue all along (in an anti-climactic way, I honestly did try to see if there was any other reports about this), but what the hey! Guess I'll just take my fine every time I roll into Aberdeen.

Maybe there's a mod that adjusts this, or I could do that myself... hmm, could be fun~

[Brian Benton]

From time to time I see this error in random places on the map. I have created many reports on this topic, but I'm tired of repeating this, since there is no feedback. The worst thing in this situation is that it is not always possible to reproduce the error. This is probably why SCS and testers ignore or deny this problem. I have come to terms with this error and I recommend that you do it.

[icy mcCoolName]

From time to time I see this error in random places on the map. I have created many reports on this topic, but I'm tired of repeating this, since there is no feedback. The worst thing in this situation is that it is not always possible to reproduce the error. This is probably why SCS and testers ignore or deny this problem. I have come to terms with this error and I recommend that you do it.

Interesting! Aside from the UK Town Sign Boards, what other places also have road signs that don't have a speed limit marked while acting as speed signs, or commonly associated with them per European laws?

(We may not be talking about the same issue; to me feels like an edge case given the context around the UK Town Name signs and how speed limits affect the player and the fact it was classed as "Known".)

[Brian Benton]

@icy mcCoolName, I traveled the entire Black Sea DLC map and in 50% of cases when leaving the city or leaving the speed limit did not correspond to reality. I pass the 50 km / h speed limit sign, but on the route advisor the speed limit is still 80 km / h. The funny thing is that sometimes AI traffic does not comply with the speed limit and very often I drive 50 km / h like an idiot in the city, and AI traffic sweeps past at a speed of 80-100 km / h and twists a finger at my temple, looking at me ...