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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#21 Post by Mike_F » 18 Nov 2018 12:31

Some of us, who does not live in Texas, might not know that DFW stands for Dallas Fort Worth. If you are an American kid living near a tourist area, or major metro area, you most likely know that Six Flags, Bush Gardens, and Sea World, to name some of the major ones, means amusement parts and the like. Please remember that some people reading this will be from other countries, and might not understand all of the shorthand, such as NoVa (Northern Virginia, Washington DC metro area).
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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#22 Post by TwinShadow » 22 Nov 2018 10:30

Did some minor digging around and I actually found another icon of Texas that slipped by me.

Dallas is home to the State Fair of Texas which has a fair few iconic things. First is the coordinates on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7770767,-96.7584656,15z - Being right off I-30, should be able to see some good sights of the fair grounds.

I think one thing people go to the fair for here would be to see Big Tex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tex | Been an icon here in Texas since the early 50's. I believe you won't really be able to see it since I'm not sure what they do with the statue when the fair isn't happening. If its not included in the game, no big deal, there are other buildings there that can be seen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Park | This article has most of the buildings located in Fair Park. I'll note down some of the ones you can at least see on surface streets and maybe the highway.

This is fairly hard to see, so I did zoom in some from I-30 looking eastward: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7822648 ... 384!8i8192 | You can see the ferris wheel, the Dallas Summer Musical Hall, and I believe a bit of the Cotton Bowl Stadium.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7817405 ... 2!1b1!2i37 | This link is from behind the Cotton Bowl Stadium on a surface street. In case we're able to drive this close to the park location.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.783837, ... 384!8i8192 | This I believe is the behind of the Centennial Hall as see on a surface street.

Looking overhead at a sat. view, parts of the area is surrounded by parking lots, so most of the attractions are nestled inside the park venue: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.778334, ... a=!3m1!1e3 | But at least a bit of it could be seen from a distance.
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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#23 Post by flight50 » 23 Nov 2018 00:55

Sora wrote:
18 Nov 2018 12:01
So Texan cities.

Someone else can interject if they want to, but I feel like this would be... probably the most "typical" list of Texan cities.

Code: Select all

Must Be Present
01 Austin
02 Houston
03 Dallas
04 San Antonio
05 El Paso
06 Fort Worth

Should Almost Certainly Be Present
07 Brownsville
08 Corpus Christi
09 Laredo
10 Lubbock
11 Amarillo

Should Probably Be Present
12 Wichita Falls
13 Midland (and/or Odessa)
14 Abilene
15 Beaumont
16 Texarkana
17 McAllen
18 Tyler (and/or Longview)

Could Be Present, But Might Not Be
19 Killeen + Fort Hood (or Temple)
20 College Station (or Bryan)
21 San Angelo
22 Victoria
23 Lufkin (or Nagcogdoches to see how streamers pronounce it)
24 Waco
25 Del Rio

Probably Won't Be Present, But Could Be
26 Galveston - An island city would be cool, but might not be worth the effort between proximity to Houston and the city's fairly small size.
27 Fort Stockton (or Van Horn) - One or possibly both will definitely be in as at minimum unmarked cities; marked status is contingent on whether you want to add a full city between San Antonio and El Paso.
28 Huntsville - As with the above, if it is seen as worthwhile to add another city on I-45, scale probably makes this the least bad option*. It still may be too close to College Station.
29 Denton (or Arlington; I assume scale makes this impossible) - Peterbilt is here. Due to scale, as well as the enormous complexity of DFW, this may simply need to be condensed into Dallas or Fort Worth.
30 Alpine - Probably the most noteworthy city in the Big Bend area. I would not be surprised to see this entire region excluded, however.
*In making this judgment I ruled out The Woodlands, Conroe, and Corsicana; if these are seen as possible, they may well be preferred.
Would y'all say this sounds about right? Or did I forget something?
My list has most of those but my numbers are higher. I am including a lot of towns on routes I think can make the game. I look at Dallas and Ft. Worth as one though. The Metroplex is just so connected that its one large massive area.

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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#24 Post by TwinShadow » 24 Nov 2018 03:20

It may be possible to have Dallas and Ft. Worth split, but you could potentially have mentions of a couple other major cities within. There's too many count, but a couple of the notable ones would be Arlington, Irving, Garland, and Mansfield. They don't have to "exist" as cities to deliver to, but like a few towns in California for instance, one could have some signage of sorts indicating a couple cities in between or something. I think there's just enough distance in the game map to have the two major cities separate at least.

I do know Odessa has a neat little museum down that way. I went there once on my way to El Paso and I had made a mention I was a bit of a rock collector, and one of the curators there hooked me up with a fossil. Still have it in my closet. I'd have to dig around to see if I could find it again, its been well over a decade since then...
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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#25 Post by angrybirdseller » 24 Nov 2018 18:58

Ft. Worth and Dallas could be two seperate cities enough room to scale it with 35W and 35E split, but I know in Twin Cities in Minnesota 35E trucks are not allowed on I-35E from I-494 to I-94, but not saving time with 45mph speed zone on urban freeway lol.

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#26 Post by Jbte » 26 Nov 2018 08:14

I-35 from Laredo to San Antonio. (south to north) tips
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SufrR ... sp=sharing

-I-35 ends into a divided city block park right before the CBP border crossing to Nuevo Laredo. There's a small bank building that is considered into "Laredo's city skyline", in this area commercial trucking is not allowed. The area where commercial traffic goes is around Loop 20 (US-59), I-69W and 255.
[url]Google street view reference[/url=https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5056017 ... 312!8i6656]
See this warning sign of firearms illegal in Mexico in the left side of the 360° and the only hirise of that bank building.

-Most commercial trucking enters into the US using this international bridge;
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5968479 ... a=!3m1!1e3]
Consider making an option where you pick-up a load from ths point or start from here to a different destination, since many trucks using I-35 comes directly from Mexico. There's a huge warehouse called "Free and secure trade" where inspection of trucks is meet to make sure are in proper statndards for US highways.

-This is a major interchange of I-69W and I-35 that I believe should be included into the game, also the area around the "World Trade bridge"
[url]Google street view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6075277 ... bfov%3D100]
Right next to that huge interchange there are many warehouses/distribution centers for trucks pickup, its the main entrance port from Mexico. Look how huge that place is!! from this place in border area thats where most of commercial traffic enters into the US from Mexico.
[url]Google satellital view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6141826 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Abit to north from that point at exit 13 on I-35 theres a pilot store and a main trucking stop area, also more warehouses pick-up areas, take note how the highway reduces from 3-3 lanes to 2-2 lanes;
[url]Google satellital view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6866021 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Mind this area where the I-35 switches the rail passage by a few curves and a sunken area. From this point intersects US-83
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7627783 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Along US 83, there are tons of hydraulic fracturing facilities, like this one;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9703867 ... bfov%3D100]

Border Patrol inspection station;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9048256 ... 312!8i6656]

Another truck stop in Encinal, Tx
[url]Google satellital view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@28.045618, ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Petro facility in Encinal, Tx
[url]Google satellital view reference, use GSV inside for references[https://www.google.com/maps/@28.045315, ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Mind this area where I-35 swiches back to the left side of railway by a big overpass north of Encinal;
[url]Google satellital view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3151118 ... a=!3m1!1e3]
Also in same area there's a rest stop right after the two bends;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3241732 ... bfov%3D100]

Nueces river crossing in Cotulla, Tx;
[url]Google street view reference[
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4249825 ... bfov%3D100]

Another truck stop in Cotulla, Tx
[url]Google satellital view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4515883 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Medium size chemical plant in Cotulla, Tx, where the fracking extraction takes place (do more research about fracking industry in this area, have been in a boom since 2010's)
[url]Google satellital view reference[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4140717 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Big size chemical storage facility north of Cotulla, Tx next to I-35;
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5260815 ... a=!3m1!1e3]
Consider due to vegetation many of those facilties are not visible from I-35

Major overpass of a river and un turn of frontage road;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@28.736243, ... bfov%3D100]

I'd say due to scale skip the towns of Pearsall and Dilley.

Mind this intersection of US-57 and I-35, US-57 it's another important route into Mexico Federal highway 57, both bi-national highways uses same number. Also look at the another truck stop in that intersection and curve;
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0272707 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Just north of US-57 intersection at I-35, there's a weight station;
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0913647 ... bfov%3D100]

Approaching south of San Antonio metro area, the places I found most interesting are the following;

Medium size/big oak trees along I-35 highway near Natalia, Tx, mind the truck stop area at the left;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1817647 ... bfov%3D100]

Atascosa river crossing;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2919112 ... bfov%3D100]
Take note how the landscape changes right south of San Antonio with more big oak trees and a greener enviroment. Near the river bridge there are some truck rapair and parts shops.

I-35 and I-410 crossing. From this point trucks are not allowed to continue north I-35 and must use I-410 bypass.
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.316971, ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Important shopping area in south San Antonio (South Park Mall and other places), conside the curve and the mall that is visible next to curve.
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.3527746 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

I-35, I-10 and US-95 major junction in SA area;
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.3958802 ... a=!3m1!1e3]

Double decker highway area in downtown San Antonio, where I-35 and I-10 meets, this should be highly recommended to include or recreate;
[url]Google street view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4126622 ... 312!8i6656]

there are nice views of San Antonio downtown from this point, consider that tall building with the parking lot close to highway;
[url]Google satellital view reference[https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4261829 ... bfov%3D100]

If theres's interest of my help later i'll give more suggestions in I-35 from San Antonio to Dallas, many other areas of the state such as I-10 from El Paso to Houston, US-83, US-277, US-90 and places I know of in Texas.
Also I'm also a mapper and persoanlly have plans in doing certain areas of Texas in a future in my map mods, if SCS would like to hire me I would love to collaborate in doing Texas for ATS.


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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#27 Post by flight50 » 01 Dec 2018 18:12

My turn, lol. Lets give this Public Research stuff a shot. My home state.....the LoneStar state is what they call it. Sorry if I repeat some stuff. Too many links to go thru and people like pics vs links, lol.
Famous Quotes "Don't Mess with Texas" "Everything is bigger in Texas"

Bluebonnet is the State Flower (said to actually be 5). But the Bluebonnet is the most recognized.

State bird is the Mockingbird. Nothing flashy

Most famous symbols....the Texas Longhorn Cattle. Also the University of Texas (Austin) Mascot - Catch Phrase " Hook'em Horns" (no, I am not bias to UT Longhorns. I watch more SEC football) The sport of Football is Huge in Texas though.

Big Tex - State Fair Grounds in Dallas, Tx

Texas has it all. Desert, the Great Plains, Farms lands, Ranches, Ports and Forest/Woodland. Texas is a mix of everything we have in ATS so far but with basically 2-3 times the real estate.

Road Map:
Being the largest in the lower 48 States, there is a lot of ground to cover. Texas is one of the first states that will introduce a very complex road system. The highways around the large cities are insane, lol. You better know where you going otherwise you will take the wrong exit. Not all roads will make the game but its almost a guarantee that all the major Interstates will make the game. These interstates are marked below. I-10, I-20, I-27, I-30, I-35W, I-35E, I-40, I-44 and I-45. Then there are all the 3 digit loops and spurs that go around and into the cities. Not all these may make it but Dallas's I-635, Ft. Worth's I-820, Houston's I-610 and San Antonio's I-410 should definitely make the cut as strong candidates to make it. US Highways and State Highways are so abundant, that it will be impossible to include them all at 1:20 scale.

Time Zone:
Texas is actually part of 2 times zones......barely. But West Texas does have to be accounted for this time change.

Population by City:
Texas is home to 13 of the US top 100 largest cities by Population. 6 of those cities are in the top 25. Therefore, Texas should receive at the least 6 very large cities. Portland is the US's 26th largest city for those that have the Oregon dlc to get a sense of scale.
El Paso, Tx is the 6th of the largest in Texas and it is the 21st overall largest city in the US by population.

Texas Big 6 Cities:
Houston, Tx - US rank 4
Huge in Oil & Gas, Largest Port in the South, Big Energy region

San Antonio, Tx - US rank 7

Dallas, Tx - Rank 9/Ft. Worth, Tx - Rank 14 (the colored roads is part of another project, I just recycled the image)
Huge Metroplex Area. Commonly name "the Metroplex, DFW, North Texas (includes Denton, Tx)
DFW alone host 6 of the top 100 largest cities in the US. DFW is loaded with Logistics and Food distribution. Very large car dealerships off all main Interstates along with loads of Salvage yards for recycled car parts ( I have visited many all over DFW to fix my cars over the years, lol)

Austin, Tx - US rank 11
State Capital and home to the University of Texas.

El Paso, Tx - US 21

Not ranked in top 100
Midland - Odessa, Tx. I list these cities because this region is also huge in Oil and Gas. Oil and Gas fields are everywhere.


Texas is home to 54 of the Fortune 500. A good bit of these should be represented in the Texas dlc. If it involves trucking, it could make the game. Oil & Gas, Construction (building and Equipment), Energy, Home Residential Building, Food Distribution, etc.

Transportation/Air Cargo:
DFW Airport is right in the Heart of DFW.

Trucking is huge in Texas. There are terminals, hubs and distribution centers across the entire state. Not to mention Denton, Tx is home to the Peterbilt Plant. If you travel the roads here, you will more than likely have to share the road constantly with the big boys. From local drivers, to OTR, to Heavy Haul to Special Transport, they are all here.

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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#28 Post by Blackspots » 02 Dec 2018 02:49

Don't forget about Wichita Falls, TX. Its an important city in a major cargo route between Amarillo, TX and the DFW area. I fully expect that US-87/287 to be part of the road network in the state in game.
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Re: Texas pre-research tips

#29 Post by TwinShadow » 02 Dec 2018 07:07

Over by Ft. Worth Alliance Airport is some major cargo hubs such as FedEx, Amazon, and UPS. They're just a short hop there, and FedEx I believe has a primary area at Alliance for that matter.
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#30 Post by flight50 » 02 Dec 2018 17:21

@ShirlBlackSpots. I didn't forget, lol. I just didn't post everything. I forgot about this particular overall map in which I added cities to. So far I have been fairly close to guessing cities and roads that SCS will give us. Texas is no different. But the options are basically 2-3 times more so it's harder but I gave it a go. Based on how SCS likes to spread things out, Texas introduces a much more vast road network, so anything can go.

@TwinShadow. Alliance is covered under the Fortune 500 part. Alliance is Ft. Worth based. Funny thing you mentioned Alliance though. I have a story behind it. In 5th grade, back in 1990, my entire 5 grade student body took a field trip there to see Santa land. Alliance was just under construction and only thing that was there was the runway. The buildings where all large tents. Anywho, we saw Santa land blah blah and we got to tell him what we wanted. Every kid got a stuffed animal after sitting on Santa's knee. I got a small Disney's Dumbo the elephant. Well I didn't want it, so I gave it to my teacher. This was that one teacher thru out my years of school that I had the hots for. We all had one, lol. Well, she gave me a peck on the cheek and I just knew I was forever in love, lol. Til this day, I still think about that kiss at Alliance, lol.

Red Roads - Main Interstates that will have to make the game. No if ands or butts.
Green Roads - US and State Highways that have a good shot at making the game
Magenta Cities - Cities without a doubt that should make the game
Yellow Cities - small town/small cities that could make the game

Now none of this is official SCS stuff so no one get bent out of shape here, lol. This is just my speculation map that I always do. SCS are the ones that determines this stuff. If the Baltics dlc is about the size of Oregon and Texas is basically 2.7 times the size of Oregon, I really don't see why Texas can not have 35+ cites and a very very dense road network. The Baltics dlc is jam packed with content. Texas should be very similar. I know the ETS2 is stronger than the ATS team, but the same engine is used by both. I just have to give props to the ETS2 team. They made the Baltics look like a master piece.

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