The flay to your point here is in the last sentence: Germany.xXCARL1992Xx wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 11:02 there is no difference if you have no signs or 4 stop signs, in both cases first come, first drive, if more then 1 comes, car to the right has right of way, if all 4 have a car waiting communicate who drives first and go from there, so no much sense behind placing signs somewhere where already rules exist how to behave, these kind of places exist many times in Germany without any signs to indicate what to do
You say there is no sense in placing signs where rules already exist, and that is true. However, in the US, if there is no sign, there is no rule. That's the rule.
We have no right of way in the US, that simply doesn't exist. Instead, we have the lack of right of way. While the end result is the same, the legality behind it and how we handle it in our signs is different.
No one ever has right of way in the US, but road markings and signage tell you when you are not permitted to move or act how you plan to (in other countries, this would effectively be saying you do not have right of way). A stop signs tells you to stop because you are not permitted to enter the junction until certain conditions are met, or in other words "you do not have right of way to enter junction".
If no stop sign is present in any approach, everyone is free to enter the junction at will regardless of other entering traffic. No one is prohibited from the right of way, even if common sense says they should be.
The stop signs create the rules at that intersection because no rules exist there otherwise.
It may be confusing to someone from an area with few or no stop signs, but it's not senseless simply because your area developed a different set of rules. It might be senseless in Germany, but not in the US.
That said, I honestly wish we went the route of many European countries in replacing most of our stop signs with yields signs. If I can see the other approaches well in advance and can see no other traffic is approaching, I should be able to cruise through the intersection without a loss of speed or time. I know this is unlikely to happen because people are idiots with short attention spans and shouldn't be driving, but are driving anyway, so they would plow through the same intersection without bothering to check and watch the other approaches.
If 4 vehicles approach at the same time, their intended direction determines who goes first. Anyone turning right goes first, followed by straight, then left.Underscore_101_ wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:34 @Madkine, when traffic from all directions get the stop sign there is no indication to who has right of way (assuming all roads are equal), if at a 4 way intersection 4 cars approach it at the same time, who has right of way?
If they are all going straight, it comes down to one of them decided they are first before anyone else does (or signals given to communicate who can go first), then it goes clockwise from there (the right-most vehicle goes first, similar to naval navigation). If the car in the approach to your right went first, you are next. If the car from your left went first, the one directly across from you is next, then the one to your right, then you.
This situation if very rare, however.
