West Balkans Expansion Discussion

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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#521 Post by Muks » 18 Aug 2022 12:29

My prediction for cities so far, just need to finish Macedonia and Albania.


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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#522 Post by TheClubber » 18 Aug 2022 12:30

They definitely have to add Trieste or, as said before, Monfalcone. It'd be a cool way to link Italy to Slovenia. Hope they had considered it.
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#523 Post by Bedavd » 18 Aug 2022 16:26

Wasn’t one of the blog photos on the E 61 at the Slovenian/Croatian boarder? Not confirmation but I think it makes Triest pretty likely.
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#524 Post by Aziz » 19 Aug 2022 13:08

Muks wrote: 18 Aug 2022 12:29 My prediction for cities so far, just need to finish Macedonia and Albania.
You have already marked 50 locations on area smaller than RttBS, and you aren't finished. I'd reconsider that and take a better look at usual map density.
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#525 Post by Trucker Nik » 19 Aug 2022 14:01

I estimate 35 cities for the Balkans DLC, (with Terst) I will write some that will definitely come, (it will be a mix of cities) Trieste, Maribor, Ljubljana, Split, Dubrovnik, Zagreb, Zadar, Osijek, Pula, Rijeka, Varaždin (maybe Makarska Šibeník if they fit) Sarajevo, Pristina, Belgrade, Skopje, Tirana , Podgorica
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#526 Post by Rascian » 19 Aug 2022 15:04

For Serbia

Very likely:
- Subotica (industrial zone with Continental, Swarowsky, Calzedonia,...)
- Novi Sad (second largest city)
- Belgrade
- Kragujevac (large Fiat factory)
- Nis (third largest city and largest south of Belgrade)
- Cacak (biggest city on the road to Montenegro)

Less likely:
- Zrenjanin
- Pancevo (oil refinery, loads of real world trucking going from there)
- Leskovac (medium city between Nis and Vranje)
- Vranje

Proportionally to the size of Bulgaria which has around 10 or 11 cities, Serbia will probably have 6 or 7 cities, not including the disputed area which scs shouldn't have put without putting a million times more important Greece, but it's how is it.
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#527 Post by trajcevasilev94 » 19 Aug 2022 21:57

For my country (N. Macedonia) what we could / will definitely see:

- Skopje
- Veles (since one of the image from the blog-post shows the A1 motorway from Veles towards Skopje)
- Bitola (since that roundabout image is from the Bitola, it is the main roundabout at the entrance of Bitola)
- Stip (Stip being another large city in the south - eastern part of my country, it holds a big historical importance, plus in 2019 it got a motorway connection, so it doesn't make sense not to include it)
- Ohrid (Looking at the image that i maybe guessed from the latest blog - post which might be the road leading to / from the Albanian border with my country. That road would have to go near Struga and Ohrid, so it just seems pointless not to include Ohrid. Ohrid is the pearl of my country and the Balkans, it is a very popular tourist place, a beautiful lake, place rich with history, and beautiful scenery.)
- Struga ( From that image that i maybe guessed from the latest blog - post, the road probably going towards the border with my country, in my country would have to go through Struga to either continue towards Ohrid or Skopje... so Struga just doesn't make sense not to be added. It is another popular touristic spot, it is on the Ohrid Lake, the Black Drim river goes in the Ohrid Lake there, Struga also has some several chemical factories as well if I'm not mistaken.)
- Kumanovo (Another city that is near the A1 motorway, close to the border with Serbia. It's the first city after you leave Serbia and enter my country. On top of that knowing that on the road to black sea DLC, they added the road from Sofia to Pernik, Pernik being close to the border with my country, they will definitely have to add the A2 road from Kumanovo to the Bulgarian border as well, so that's even bigger reason as to why Kumanovo can't be omitted.)
- Kriva Palanka (This is the city the closest to the Bulgarian border, where the A2 road runs to. It will have to be added, just like Kumanovo, since they will have to do the connection to the Bulgarian border and Kriva Palanka is in the way.)
- Tetovo
- Gostivar
- Kicevo
( These 3 cities also near the A2 motorway and Kicevo on the road towards Ohrid, it just won't make any sense to avoid them, knowing that there will be a road towards Ohrid done as well. They are big cities, hold their own unique history, and it's where most of the Albanian population lives.)

Those above are the most likely cities that we will see. Now what we might or might not see:

- Prilep.
To reach Bitola you have to go through Prilep, it is another important city, with another history. It just won't make sense not to include it

- Negotino.
Since the A1 motorway is going to be definitely added in this DLC, as it's the main road artery and the backbone of this country, we could see more cities around it. Negotino being one of them, near the A1 motorway, when going towards Greece you can't just avoid that city. It's not a small city either.

- Gevgelija.
Gevgelija like Negotino is another city close to the A1 motorway. Gevgelija is a much bigger city, and it is also close to the Greek border. It also has plenty of casinos, known for a lot of it's dental ordinations, and being a key - stop on the route towards Greece. This city would only make even more sense once Greece is added in the game, as the border crossing is near Gevgelija (IRL), so yeah. Gevgelija may or may not get added in this DLC. It will eventually depend on the decision on the developers of this game. If they decide that it won't make sense to add it now, then they could add it later when they do the Greek DLC.


After Stip... it is a bit of a tough decision. There are 2 routes both eventually leading to Bulgaria. Taking the A3 road, going all the way from Stip, Kocani towards Delcevo, through several other cities to eventually reach the border with Bulgaria. That border would put a connection close to Blagoevgrad. Now as we know, the nearby DLC's and places to the West Balkans DLC would need to receive an update. Would that mean adding Blagoevgrad, and expanding the A3 motorway towards Blagoevgrad. Could the A3 motorway be eventually expanded to it's full extent towards the Greek border. If it gets expanded fully towards the Greek Border, then they would have to add cities like Sandanski and Petrich, which would mean providing a connection from Petrich towards the border there with my country.

Now the other route is going from Stip towards Strumica, through Radovis, then towards Novo Selo where the border with Bulgaria is, and from there continuing towards Petrich.

This would as i said depend on many decisions. Getting both routes and having more cities would be nice, but i don't think that SCS would pull out such a move. We are after - all a small country, and they'd rather focus on bigger stuff, and of course would not want to spend / waste more than their planned to finish this DLC. Eventually if they decide to take the simpler approach then we might just see Kocani added (high chances), Makedonska Kamenica (a small city along the main road towards Delcevo. Can be added, as it's by the road, but as a "decorative" city, than a functional one.) and then of course Delcevo.

As my roots are actually from that region (born in Stip, raised in Radovish), i would of course want to see the route towards Strumica added. Last year we actually got an express road connection to Radovish which was a game changer for improving the connectivity to that region, it is much quicker to reach Strumica now and the Bulgarian border. It would also fill in a nice gap of the international routes, and it would pretty much cover all parts of the country.

Other places that i would want to see added would be:

- Gradsko
- Demir Kapija
These are 2 smaller towns, not of a significant importance, but they are by the A1 motorway. Some trucks actually go here as there are several companies who have fruit / vegetable companies. Let's also not forget the wine fields too. There could be jobs with say for example transporting wine from either of these cities.

Gradsko is also an important connection towards the road leading towards Prilep, then Bitola. They are also building a new express road from Gradsko towards the beginning of the Pletvar Pass (after you cross the Pletvar Pass you reach Prilep), so that small town still serves some purpose regardless. Let us also not forget the popular market in Gradsko by the main road leading towards Prilep. Many drivers stop here to buy vegetables.

Speaking of wine, Kavadarci (another big city nearby) is the city that i would love to see in the game too. It is the city with the largest wine producer (Tikves) in the country. They have a big factory there for wine production. Kavadarci also has a big nickel - production plant / factory called Feni Industry. This factory has been existing since Yugoslavia and it's the largest nickel production in the country. It still operates to this day. All these factories here would be nice and benefit in the game, as trucks could take loads / routes from here to other parts across Europe.

Along the A1 motorway a bit after Gradsko is the archeological site called "Stobi", another ancient city. They could just add it in the background, as it can be seen when driving by the motorway. Or they could provide a connection, and just let trucks park there and take pictures. Something like a viewpoint.

Other cities that i would love to see... maybe Resen. Resen because it provides a connection from Bitola towards Ohrid. Also, Resen is near the Prespa Lake, which is also a tourist spot, maybe not so important today, but in the past it was. Resen is known for it's apple production, i believe they produce the most apples in the entire country. Other than that Resen is on the main road from Bitola towards Ohrid, so it not just a random city.

Other than that, maybe adding the R1201 regional road towards Debar, then the regional road towards Mavrovo and the connection with the A2 road near Gostivar would be nice.

Now the segment from Struga towards Debar would make more sense, as it would also provide another connection towards Albania. They built a new road recently (Rruga e Arberit if I'm not mistaken) to provide a faster connection to Tirana), so if the developers want to add this road, then they could. The rest of the regional road is not of a much use for a truck sim, there aren't much (if not any) factories along this route. The only good thing about that regional road is that it's one of the most beautiful roads in the country. Passing through many mountains, forests, a national park, lakes, water reservoirs, ski resorts, and what not else... those who have driven it know how beautiful that route is. Of course trucks are banned there, and it is mostly used for local traffic and by those who want to take a more longer, but slightly enjoyable route. I wouldn't care if that road and the cities by it don't get added, and i would understand why.

Other than that, i don't see a need of other cities being added in my country. In total that would be 11 cities that would have to be added, as they make the most sense, they sit on important routes. We could omit some of the cities by the border, like Gevgelija, which may not be added until the Greek DLC is actually done. Too much or not, we are a small but well transited country for international travel and i don't see an issue in adding these cities. Maybe some of these cities could just be added as in the background, but not usable as in driving to them, taking jobs from them, etc... that would be a good compromise in order to keep some of the cities along the important routes but not overdo it from adding too much cities for such a small country. What do you guys think about this? Share your thoughts, lets discuss. I'll be around here to discuss and help with guessing more places from the blog-post. Cheers!
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#528 Post by gaillard » 20 Aug 2022 06:48

Your post is very long and detailed, so of course I didn't read it.

But you understand that at this point SCS has already decided exactly what they are going to do, and won't change it anymore?
Except possible big reaction to the contents as seen in the first blogs. Like Yellowstone and Cody.
So any info supplied or wishful thinking is coming too late. Or so I think.
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#529 Post by Shiva » 20 Aug 2022 10:45

@trajcevasilev94 Those cities you mentioned, would they be all devilerable, cities, or a few deliverable and most scenery?
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/%C5%A0t ... 058454!3e0 10 first on google maps.
If all deliverable, then it would need a separate game to fit all.
Size comparizon to Lithuania

Even ProMods, does only have 5 deliverable cities for North Macedonia https://www.google.com/maps/dir/%C5%A0t ... 440827!3e0
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Re: West Balkans Expansion Discussion

#530 Post by VirtualTruckTravels » 20 Aug 2022 12:49

gaillard wrote: 20 Aug 2022 06:48 Except possible big reaction to the contents as seen in the first blogs. Like Yellowstone and Cody.
given how much noise has been raised over missing Pyrenees and yet still nothing happened, it seems that listening to the community and their reaction is a previllige only ATS has for some reason..
so no matter how much noise is made, nothing will change like you say everything is already in motion and set in stone.
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