Next ATS truck speculation

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Re: Next ATS truck speculation

#6961 Post by 55sixxx » 18 Aug 2022 14:55

Well... The truck release rate could be a lot better, anyone that visits this forum often knows I'm not a fan of waiting so long for some stuff, however, IF the vehicle team as big as it is now (Which is not big by any means) rushed over the production of let's say, the NextGen 579, NextGen T680, New VNL or maybe even the 5700XE just to get it released in a much shorter timespan we would inevitably end with a truck that is not completed (Cabs missing, Chassis missing, Options Missing, Interiors Missing and so on). Now, would people like it!? Would they enjoy the fact that the truck they looked forward the most came to the game unfinished with a few possible bugs here and there!? I'd say no, definitely not.

What could and should be done IMO, is splitting the vehicle team into an ETS2 Team and ATS Team so in that way, one exclusive release such as the 57X, wouldn't impact nearly as much as it did by taking up all the dev time and attention from the people that are responsible for modelling and making trucks.

Also, you have to keep in mind that on top of the vehicle team being rather small, only a handful are involved in making trucks. The others most often don't know about those either due to NDA's or whatever. So out of, let's say, 15 people that make up the whole vehicle team, only 3 or 4 are responsible for bringing the trucks to us.
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#6962 Post by xXCARL1992Xx » 18 Aug 2022 14:57

the 57X didnt take any attention from other projects, it was a heavily NDAed truck and only maybe a handful of people knew about it and worked on it, just like the 49X and the NGD, those are trucks that werent even known to the industry yet (apart from spotting ofc)
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#6963 Post by 55sixxx » 18 Aug 2022 15:04

Like I said, from the vehicle team, only less than a handful are responsible for making trucks (IIRC, someone from SCS said here in the forum there are only 3 people making trucks for both games)... Now, take out two of them that are super busy working on a exclusive NDA project and you're left with barely anyone to keep making stuff for both games. So yes, in one way or the other (Directly or Indirectly), other projects are indeed affected by these exclusive opportunities that SCS has been grabbing lately. Which may be a reason why we still haven't seen the 5700XE nor the VNL yet.
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#6964 Post by xXCARL1992Xx » 18 Aug 2022 15:07

3 people working on 1 truck, it was never said only 3 people work in the vehicle team, or else we wouldnt have all the truck + trailer + AI that we have in the game with only 3 people, and in 2020 we would never have gotten the Anthem, 49X and Cascadia within a year, same for the TEvo and NGD and the 49X parts and LT in 2021
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#6965 Post by 55sixxx » 18 Aug 2022 15:17

Idk then... But as I said, the release rate could be better but then things could be unfinished. So it's kinda of like "pick your poison" game. Slow release rate with good quality and completed trucks or fast release rate with just the bare bones of what the truck should be.

Even though I hate waiting for anything, I'd go for number one.
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Re: Next ATS truck speculation

#6966 Post by flight50 » 18 Aug 2022 15:55

55sixxx wrote: 18 Aug 2022 14:55
What could and should be done IMO, is splitting the vehicle team into an ETS2 Team and ATS Team so in that way, one exclusive release such as the 57X, wouldn't impact nearly as much as it did by taking up all the dev time and attention from the people that are responsible for modelling and making trucks.
I said split them as well a couple years ago. People got pissy with the thought. But if you think about it, the two countries involved has totally different vehicles. There are a few AI cars that each country shares but trucks and trailers are totally different. So getting specialist for each game makes since. No cross over nessary. Specialize in one or the other.

Now it was once said there is one team that works both games and then there is one team dedicated to ATS. Yes the release rate is slow but until more of the right people come, nothing can be done.

The problem imo is trucks are free. That is at least 4 people working a truck for a year. 2 interior modelers and 2 exterior modelers. That 3rd person is the skinner and probably does all trucks. SCS gets nothing but high 5's or negative reviews for trucks. This is exactly why they should employ a team specifically for out of production trucks and do them as paid dlc's. In production trucks are cool as core content but those old trucks are not core. If you want them, pay for them.
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Re: Next ATS truck speculation

#6967 Post by axl135 » 18 Aug 2022 17:03

If they do include old trucks as paid content, I imagine they could be released in multiple DLC’s, split by brand name and/or time period.
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Re: Next ATS truck speculation

#6968 Post by flight50 » 18 Aug 2022 17:12

One by one as they finish gets my vote but with the option to bundle is the best route. Just because they are out of production doesn't mean they'd be done any faster. If they did a 3 truck pack, that means they have to wait 3 years just to release such a pack. The quality the truck was made with at the time should release asap.
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#6969 Post by JoeAlex23 » 18 Aug 2022 18:55

One by one is better, then they can do Steam bundles for a special price per brand, type of truck or years.
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Re: Next ATS truck speculation

#6970 Post by Freeze338 » 18 Aug 2022 18:56

WOW thanks a lot. I didn't know that. I was thinking that 3D modelers growing in the ground like a crop....

Hire juniors and train them just like you did on map team. I'm around here a lot and I don't believe that SCS couldn't do trucks because of licensing. Everything is about money and prioritization. If you make a priority for new trucks so be it. Release them already and chase the older licenses. Once manufacturers released new one then prioritize that and add it to the game. Sell the older trucks with money, give the new ones for free. But even SCS couldn't keep up the pace for new trucks so how are we gonna get the old ones or vocationals? We are dreaming about expanding our horizons for this game yet this game has no improvement about new vehicles that we expect.

Do the math. This game released in 2016. It started with the 2 trucks but I wanna say it started with 5 trucks because even on the alpha footages we have VNL. After 2016 PACCAR released 3 different class 8 trucks, Daimler released 3 different class 8 trucks, Volvo group released 3 different class 8 truck, Navistar released 1 new truck. So in 5 years started with the 2017( because LT released in that time), manifacturers released 10 different trucks. So how many trucks that ATS released in that time ? It's 7 let's count the 389 if you want (because on alpha there is VNL, W900, T680 and 579 exist) then it's 8. Already 2 trucks will not be added in 5 years. And this number happened because LT and Lonestar also Cascadia 49X and 57X shares same components. And there is a cost for that. ETS2 trucks getting delayed because of that and I don't even wanna talk about that side.

I'm not even talking about gameplay because nothing is changing . Even we couldn't solve the vehicle problems then how are we gonna get new features? I'm not accusing SCS or something. I'm a huge fan and Pavel is my childhood hero. I'm serious about it. I grown up with 18 Wheels of Steel Across America and there is a driver in that game called "Paul". He was the best A.I. driver and the avatar of Paul is Pavel himself. But if SCS keeps going on this way then nothing will improve properly also we don't get what we want about vehicles forever, so much potential will be wasted. Sometimes we shouldn't defend and ask something from them properly. Maybe I'm harsh but this is who I am.
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