Greece pre-research tips

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Re: Greece pre-research tips

#101 Post by dahaka » 09 Dec 2020 20:08

Today I'm posting about the road network and things alongside it which are memorable / recognizable in Greece. I have created a concept map, based on my real life experiences of trucking in Greece, and my knowledge about my country.

On the map pictured bellow, I have marked the roads I consider necessary to be included to have an authentic, realistic, and immersive representation of Greece ingame, WITH RED.
The roads that would be nice to have but their absence will not be detrimental are marked WITH PURPLE.

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Cities That should definitely be included:
Athens (Αθήνα) - The capital of Greece
Thessaloniki (Θεσσαλονίκη) - The second largest city of Greece, referred to by the Greeks as "the co capital"
Patra (Πάτρα) - One of the largest cities, and an important ferry port, linking Greece with the Italian ports of Brindisi, Bari, Ancona and Venice.
Igoumenitsa (Ηγουμενίτσα) - A small village at the end of Highway 2/E90 which houses the second port linking Greece with the Italian ports of Brindisi, Bari, Ancona and Venice.
Kavala (Καβάλα) - A small scenic town built on a mountainside, large marble producer, with the mountains in the north of it being full of large quarries.
Alexandoupoli (Αλεξανδρούπολη) - A small town with a small commercial port.
Larissa (Λάρισα) One of the bigger cities in Greece, it houses a sugar factory, and other industries.
Trikala (Τρίκαλα) A small city surrounded by mountains, it houses two large feta cheese factories that ship many tons of feta cheese to Europe daily.
Ioannina (Ιωάννινα) A city in the mountain range of Pindos, there are two slaughterhouses in the area, and sheep and goat farms are present around the mountains.
Volos (Βόλος) A large seaside city with an important port, ferries depart from here to multiple small Greek islands.
Kalamata (Καλαμάτα) A small city, home of the world famous Kalamata olives, and the last large city in the mainland south worth including in the game.

Recognizable, memorable and scenic places along the roads and around the cities I have proposed.

On the map pictured bellow, I have marked with red and blue, numbered, stars the locations where things worth including are located. Bellow the picture I will list the numbers of the spots and provide a description of them, as well as google maps coordinates, and google pictures for you to easily find the things I'm talking about.

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1)The port of Alexandroupoli. This is the entrance to the port, with the famous landmark of the city, the lighthouse being visible in the distance.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@40.8442777, ... 2?hl=en-GB

2) Pirgon quarry. This enormous, impressive quarry located in mountains in the north of Kavala, has a unique look with large marble cubes carved out of the mountainside that easily dwarf nearby trucks and excavators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbeRr8rJ94
https://www.google.hu/maps/@41.2530933, ... !1e3?hl=en
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3) Κατάρα mountain pass. An infamous road nicknamed the "curse", is the fastest route from the south-eastern parts of Greece towards the port of Igoumenitsa. As such, many trucks travel it daily, and is a road that is both really beautiful and scenic, but also dangerous, with constant twists and turns and deep ravines next to the road in multiple places. Something similar to the "million dollar highway" in Colorado US. DO NOT MISS the chance to include this road when the time comes. It really is a very important and very scenic road without which, Greece will feel incomplete.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t3m8GLx0m4

4) Highway E90 final descent to the port of Igoumenitsa. (slightly misplaced star) The highway descends through the mountains, with the driver being surrounded on both sides with beautiful green mountains, and having a great view in the front, where the sea, and the port of igoumenitsa, as well as the village can be seen. Particularly beautiful to drive late in the summer evening, as the sun is setting between the mountains straight ahead, being reflected by the sea bellow it far at the end of the road beyond the port.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@39.4743037, ... 384!8i8192
https://www.google.hu/maps/@39.4787672, ... 226,15.38z

5)Meteora and village of Kalampaka. The world famous rock formations of Meteora are well visible from the road, which also passes through the little village of Kalampaka.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@39.7105879, ... 384!8i8192
One of the monasteries on top of the mountains is visible on this picture:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@39.703744,2 ... 384!8i8192

6) Κλεισούρα. This section of the road leads through a narrow path through large rock formations, the cliffs and the vegetation surrounding this section of the road is truly beautiful.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.5137577, ... 2?hl=en-GB
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.5102351, ... z?hl=en-GB

7) Rion - Antirion bridge. A beautiful large suspension bridge, visible from pretty far away.
https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Rion-A ... 21.7737007
During the night, the bridge is illuminated by colorful lights:
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8) A8B coastal highway. The highway that connects Patra with Athens, this road has a great view of the Corinthian gulf, during most of the drive. Cruise ships and yachts can be seen frequently sailing around in the gulf.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.3240668, ... 384!8i8192

9) Aluminium of Greece, A large factory producing aluminum. (the star is slightly misplaced on my map edit)
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https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Alumin ... 22.6915902

10) Bauxite strip mine near Itea. Greece is the second largest producer of Bauxite in Europe, the material is used in the creation of aluminum. The road leading to and from them is also very scenic, having a view to the gulf of Corinth during a lot of the way.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.448475,2 ... a=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.4456887, ... 384!8i8192
The mine even has it's own dock for ships!
https://www.google.gr/maps/@38.4415461, ... 384!8i8192

11) Delphi. While the site of the historical Delphi oracle is not well visible from the road, the museum associated with it is, and the view of the mountains from the narrow road is quite astonishing.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.481372,2 ... 384!8i8192
https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Delphi ... 22.5009871

12)The Corinth Canal. A long canal carved in the rocky terrain, ships, including cruise ships frequently pass through it. The highway is running above the canal, on a bridge.
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https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Corint ... 23.0090055

13)Hellenic Petroleum Industrial Site of Elefsina. This is a large refinery, clearly visible from the highway.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.0391124, ... 384!8i8192
https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Hellen ... 23.5032105
Next to it, there are some shipyards, and a ship building company.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.0303304, ... 384!8i8192

14) Dionyssos-Pentelicon quarry. A marble quarry with impressive large holes cut in the marble cliffs.
https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Dionys ... 23.9039371
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15)National road 30. I could post pictures for days, this road is full of beautiful little villages, and lots and lots of challenging to drive hairpin turns. Sure worth your time to check it out extensively on google street view.

16) A section of the E90/2 highway that is full of tunnels, some of which have a pretty significant length.

17) Beautiful road section with Oleander bushes. "Nerium oleander" is a bush sized plant that grows in many places in Greece, it has beautiful pink or white flowers all year around, but blooming peaks during the summer. This highway section is filled on the left and the right with oleander bushes, making for a really beautiful drive.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@39.1612768, ... 2?hl=en-GB
There are other sections of the Greek highways that have oleander bushes planted on the left, the right, or even in the median between the two parts of the highway, like this area near Kavala:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@40.9303897, ... 2?hl=en-GB

It is important to create an accurate representation of the Greek vegetation, as it is a big part of the scenery.

Very commonly seen plants in Greece, and some spots to serve as examples:

Olive trees: they are everywhere in Greece, left and right and plantations of them can be often seen even on mountainsides:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.9894587, ... 2?hl=en-GB
Cypress trees: they can be seen sprouting out in a lot of places, they have a characteristic dark green color, and are also green all year around:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.1603401, ... 2?hl=en-GB
Oleanders: Bushes with beautiful pink flowers, that often grow on the roadsides:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.1603095, ... 2?hl=en-GB
Palm trees: Not really the ones you see in tropical islands, but I have no idea how these are called in English. They usually grow in parks, where they are planted, and near seashores:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@40.0755847, ... 6?hl=en-GB
Common Reed: The common reed can be spotted a lot of times on the roadside in Greece, especially in areas where there is a water source, river, creek, drainage ditch etc.
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.1727539, ... 2?hl=en-GB
Common reed can actually grow higher than even trucks:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.1675446, ... 2?hl=en-GB
Orange trees: Plantations of orange trees can be found mostly in the south. (the ones pictured might be mandarin oranges) There are both mandarin orange and normal orange plantations in the south of Greece:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.4114588, ... 6?hl=en-GB
https://www.google.hu/maps/@37.7220471, ... 6?hl=en-GB
Pine trees: Pine trees are very common in Greece, they can be found everywhere, and there are entire forests out of them. Often seen growing on the side of the roads:
https://www.google.hu/maps/@38.3180736, ... 2?hl=en-GB

I hope these help you create a more immersive Greece in the game. Took me like half a day to get all this :D
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Re: Greece pre-research tips

#102 Post by plinio.lisboa.br » 09 Dec 2020 22:24

Transport of live eels:

Today we are going to present one of the largest agro-industries of processed eel food in Europe. Particu is one of the largest creators and processors of eel meat and fish from psiculture farms.
The company also sells live eels to other countries in Europe, and other breeders also in Greece and Europe. It is also possible with this material to learn a little more about the economy of the Greek region of Epirus.
We can also understand the road routes used to transport live eels, as well as the processed food material for export to Italy and Europe further north.

Finally, we can admire a new type of trailer that is specialized for the transport of live fish. Carrying out live animal transport between production areas to their customer destinations (whether they are fish processing plants or other fish farmers).

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V. Geitonas & SIA EE ( Β. Γείτονας & ΣΙΑ ΕΕ ).
City: Psathotopi Artas ( Ψαθοτόπι), Epiro (region)
Site ( english language): https://eelgeitonas.com/en

The company produces and sells a variety of eel products (live, fresh and smoked) and fish on the European and Greek market, such as: tilapia, mullet, mackerel, trout. The psiculture company produces on a commercial scale and its schools are standardized, offering products from the smallest commercial size of 150 gr. and reaching more than 1300 gr. Every year between 170 - 220 tonnes of its products are exported in Europe, according to market demand. Psiculture is a 130-hectare private rural property, where the company maintains a complete eel aquaculture unit with a total area of ​​10,000 m² tanks, as well as a 900 m² processing unit. which has modern equipment and the latest technology: cold rooms, smoking ovens and all the necessary equipment for fish processing. The company markets a variety of eel products (Viva, Fresca and Smoked) and tilapia and mullet on the European and Greek market.

Fish farm
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Reference: https://www.kathimerini.gr/economy/busi ... tin-krisi/

Curiosity:
Eels (anguilla-anguilla) lay their eggs on the bottom of the Sargasso Sea. Eels do not breed in captivity. They lay their eggs exclusively at the bottom of the "Mar dos Sargaços", area of ​​the North Atlantic, and from there they start their life as planktonic larvae. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eel
At the stage of his life as planktonic larvae called "finheads". Driven by sea currents ("Gulf Stream" in the North Atlantic), they reach the coasts of Europe and Africa where they become "sandeels". Eel capture begins in early November and ends in late May.
The total breeding period lasts from two to three years, for the eel to achieve the desired color, flavor and shape. Note that the eel is a protected species and the law requires lip aquaculture to release at least 10% of the litter to the sea.

Fish farming - Specialty - Eels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcSXwclkK8

The eels arrive at the psciculture company's unit by air in special packaging (boxes), shortly after receipt they are placed in small covered tanks, where the first breeding phase begins.

First stage: Its size in this stage ranges from 0.22 to 0.35 g / person. Eels grow in a constant temperature environment with quality water and oxygen rich, which is monitored electronically to remain stable at 10 ppm.

Second stage: Development (reproduction) in larger tanks follows. To guarantee water, the initial amount is provided by the drilling. It is then recycled with a cleaning system and used in all stages of development. In approximately 6 months, the eels exceeded 40 grams and the need for more space is obvious.

Third stage:
At this stage, the eels are captured and transported to tanks in the open air, where they grow slowly and healthy due to the exceptional climatic conditions of the coastal region. "The approach of this natural form of breeding gives the eel a unique and special color, flavor.

Processing:
The Greek company offers smoked and fresh eels to the Greek and European market.
The preparation process starts with cleaning the eels. It is followed by salt and smoked WITHOUT preservatives and additives in a traditional oven and traditional methods. In smoking, olive wood is used to guarantee ideal temperatures and beech wood to enhance its rich flavor. The smoking process takes place at 90 ° -95 ° C and lasts about 90 minutes. Once smoked, the eels remain in the oven at a lower temperature with natural smoke until they acquire their rich flavor. The process is completed with filleting and standardization of eels according to international standards.
Products: https://eelgeitonas.com/en/products

Demand:
With a total annual production capacity of 300 tons. About 90% of them are sold on the foreign market, while the remaining 10% are directed to the Greek domestic market. The period of greatest demand for eels is in December, with the largest exports to Italy and, to a lesser extent, to: Holland, Poland, France, Germany, Belgium, England, Cyprus. Highlight for the Italian market, with around 130 tons per year, mainly in December.
It is interesting to note that the price of smoked eel on the shelves of a European supermarket reaches E $ 85 euros a kilo in 2018.

Itinerary:
Depending on the landing area in Italy, mainly to the south near the port of Bari, there are two or three weekly itineraries. It depends on both the demand for the product and the quantity offered. For example: On Sunday night the truck leaves the port of Igoumenitsa, on Monday it delivers the product to the customer, the same day it takes a boat from Italy and the next morning it returns to Greece and goes to the loading yard.


Choice of route Igoumenitsa - Psathotopi Arta ?
From the port of Igoumenitsa to the company's facilities near Psathotopi Artas the distance is 120 km. The routes used are: coastal road (through Lygia) or the Egnatia Highway.
Comparison between the two routes (Greek language): https://troxoikaitir.gr/article/348/syg ... -ioanninon

a) Route Lygia (coastal) E951, E 55
The most scenic route, and also with the possibility of viewing the Adriatic Sea in some places, has mountain stretches as well and more rural landscapes.

Arta ( Άρτα ) - Lygia ( Λυγιά ) - Igoumenitsa ( Ηγουμενίτσα )

Route Google maps:
https://www.google.com.br/maps/dir/Aqua ... 061499!3e0

b) Route Egnatia.

Egnatia highway is better to travel, however it has the highest cost because there are 2 tolls on the way to the port of Igoumenitsa.
The Egnatia Highway (Highway 2, A2) is the longest highway in Greece with a length of 670 km. It crosses all the north of Greece, from west to east: it starts in Igoumenitsa in Epirus, passing through many of the main cities of Macedonia, with main Thessaloniki, the second largest city in Greece, continues east to Thrace, passing through Alexandroupolis and ends at the Greek border at Kipoido river Evros. Its name comes from the Old Greco-Roman highway "Egnatia Odos", which crossed almost the same area, but in the same direction. Egnatia is part of the European Route E90.
The most difficult part of all options is on the stretch between the "Kalogirou" bridge to the facilities of the psiculture company. The road is narrow and crosses rural areas where tractors and other agricultural machinery circulate daily. It is necessary to take care of the truck driver, when the adverse climatic conditions prevail in the area, either by rains resulting in slippery roads, or due to the fog that limits the driver's field of vision.

Arta ( Άρτα ) - Ioannina ( Γιάννενα) - Igoumenitsa ( Ηγουμενίτσα )

Route Google maps:
https://www.google.com.br/maps/dir/Aqua ... 4f!1m0!3e0

Preparing: truck (9,900 kilos) of eels:
Arriving at the psiculture company, the first concern of the live fish driver and porters is to empty the truck of all old and used water and fill the tanks with new fresh water. It is important to mention that the live fish transport trailer in general consists of 11 compartments that do not communicate, and each compartment has the capacity to impress; 900 kilos of eels! The replenishment of fresh water is carried out at the top of the compartments and has a hatch. Completing the water supply, the tanks receive about 15 thousand liters of water. Then, the eel loading process begins.

Eel logistics:
The company has one of the largest fish farms for eel breeding and storage in the country. It has modern facilities, where all processes are monitored and controlled by special machines of the latest technology. The facilities consist of large water tanks (reservoirs) where the eels are raised. To place an order, the eels are loaded into a special mobile basket, placed in the sorting room and divided into small and large ones, depending on their size and the customer's purchase order. They are loaded back into the basket or loaded into trailer compartments attached to the truck.


Loading eels - truck trailer:
Loading is always done under the supervision of experienced personnel to ensure the safety of the process in the first phase and, secondly, to prevent the eels from slipping out of the trailer tanks. The cargo operator performs the procedures for transferring the eels to the fish transport trailer.


The container that is lifted by a forklift and its accessory draws attention is a "slide" through which the eels slide and fall into the truck's tank and has sides, so as not to fall out of the trailer. This is repeated until all the tanks are full, at the same time as the number and category of eels in relation to their weight are recorded. The loading process can take from 40 minutes to 2 hours and has to do with order preparation.

At this point, we must say that the trailer has its own engine (something similar to that of the cabins) which is at the rear and works with oil and electricity. At the rear are also two generators for the production of oxygen that feed the tanks while a third is kept in reserve in case of failure of one of the other two. As long as the cargo lasts and, of course, throughout the journey, the oxygen supply is continuous and monitored by the live trucker
The rule in the transport of eels is that the water without being renewed, the eels must reach the destination / customer in a maximum of 24 hours. Otherwise, as soon as the specific time limit has passed, the water must be renewed.


On the night boat to Italy:
On the same day, at night, around 8 pm, the truck takes the opposite route from the morning and goes to the port of Igoumenitsa on the ferry. On the ferry the truck has a special place, mainly in the upper hold, and it definitely needs a power source for the truck's engine to work and, consequently, the generators that produce and transport oxygen to the eels. The driver has to descend several times during the trip and check, every 2 hours or more, to check that everything is working correctly and that the generators are working well.

1. reference: https://troxoikaitir.gr/article/359/met ... non-helion
2. reference: https://www.kathimerini.gr/economy/busi ... tin-krisi/
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Re: Greece pre-research tips

#103 Post by JaDaKa » 16 Dec 2021 18:45

With hints of the "balkan" DLC having appeared, I please want to reiterate how important would it be to include Meteora area in the DLC..
The smaller "Grand Canyon" of Europe

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#104 Post by orizon » 17 Apr 2022 16:49

Few road videos from Greece roads. Also, on that channel, you can see many other videos from Greece.

Also, on that channel, you can see many other videos from Greece.
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#105 Post by JaDaKa » 06 Jun 2022 10:42

One thing that gives and extra flavour, uniqueness and are present in Greece are miniature churches on the sides of the roads. ( εκκλησάκια OR εικονοστάσια )

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They have enough space just for a Christian icon and a candle to be lit.

They are bought and placed by individuals as tributes. They can be found inside yards but more importantly ALONG SIDE ROADS.

Latter ones are placed by relatives of people deceased in traffic accidents in these spots (either drivers, passengers or pedestrians).
They include an icon, sometimes a photograph of the deceased and a candle to be lit when visited by relatives as a gesture to show they are not forgotten, a small temple dedicated to their memory.


They are either made of brick and plaster

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Or metallic (older ones)

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Older parts of the national roads as well as the countryside are full of them ..unfortunately. There are some parts were you would see one every few tens of meters for a kilometre.
Thankfully as the carriageways are getting upgraded and new ones are laid these are less frequent or even absent.

I think that's something that could be included in the Greek DLC as although a bit dark it is a reality and very unique that would give an extra flavour as well as making for a very interesting blogpost.
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Re: Greece pre-research tips

#106 Post by Chaffinch » 24 Oct 2023 01:19

On the advice of @oldmanclippy, I wish to inform that if SCS is not aware, there is a design manual for Greek motorway signs: http://www.prodiagrafes.gr/wp-content/u ... _6_all.pdf

In line with the standard for new signs, I would stick to using mixed-case DIN throughout, as well as using the A- prefix for motorway numbers. This is because the font and road number situation is a bit messy in real life: they use Helvetica in one place, Arial in another, and all-caps in another.

Greece rarely uses road numbers outside of motorways (the A23 motor-road is one of the few exceptions). National and Provincial Roads simply have road signs that show destinations without road numbers, unless it's an entrance to a motorway.

I'd be interested in helping if it had not been for my ongoing mental health problems, but I can still provide words of advice.
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#107 Post by krmarci » 20 Feb 2024 18:07

jackalnxt wrote: 20 Feb 2024 16:48 Bulgaria just completed the Zheleznitsa tunnel, the longest in the country and one of the most complex to construct. This is part of the Struma highway which leads directly to Greece:
https://dnes.dir.bg/obshtestvo/otkriha- ... imki-video
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#108 Post by Mooner_37 » 23 Apr 2024 17:42

Today 2 roadworks on the A3: Odos Kentrikis Elladas have been finished and opened for traffic.

* Lamia to Xyniada (18 km), exit 1 (A1 and EO 3), 2 (EO 38) and 3
* Trikala to Kalampaka (25 km), exit 10 (EO 6), 11 (EO 6) and 12 (EO 6).
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#110 Post by Chaffinch » 09 Jul 2024 20:53

Sources: https://www.carandmotor.gr/nea/binteo-e ... attiki-odo, https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=415408454615508 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkjNl5dmH0

Directional road signs on the A6, A64 and A642 in Athens are in the process of being replaced by mixed-case signage.

The road numbers have also changed: the A62 and A64 have swapped numbers, and the A642 is now the A621.

It feels like Attiki Odos knows that Euro Truck Simulator 2 is coming to Greece and they want their road signs to look their best. But then again, the old signs were worn out with the amber Greek text appearing very dark.
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