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My preference would be having Mason City marked with Clear Lake being a remote depot location for any industry if possible to it, as well as having it for the truck stops and direct connection to Mason City via Business US-18
I also want to see Mason City solely due to the point its home to one of the last electric railways in the US, the Iowa Traction Co (Which I mentioned in the research thread awhile back)
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I also want to see Mason City solely due to the point its home to one of the last electric railways in the US, the Iowa Traction Co (Which I mentioned in the research thread awhile back)
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Re: Iowa Discussion Thread
I've vouched for the Iowa Traction Railway before as well; would love to see it.
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I'd like to see them do more like what they did with Texarkana (TX/AR) in terms of seamless integration of twin cities on either side of a state line. Kansas City (KS/MO) is the obvious next step for that sort of design but no reason why they couldn't do that at either end of Iowa coming through west to east once Illinois is out as well.flight50 wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025 01:47 ^True that. I don't think they can skip Iowa 80. Its closer to Davenport but they'll have to make due. That truck stop will demand some space. If we can get 50% of its real size, that would suffice imho. But a 1:1 truck stop is asking for too much at scale. Davenport can't be sacrificed. Pushing too much into Illinois robs the chance to get Moline as a marked city. Davenport/ Moline could be like Omaha/Council Bluffs.
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As far as we know from the map editor, Council Bluffs will be its own marked city.
It's tricky to predict how they will handle future cross-border situations because the only recent examples we have are Texarkana and Kansas City which share a name. And even those two situations are different:
- Texarkana TX and Texarkana AR are two different but similarly-sized municipalities that share a common downtown area that straddles the border, although that downtown area is not in the game
- Kansas City KS is a much smaller suburb of Kansas City MO, which is the main city in the metro area
Texarkana is pretty unique but Kansas City I see as basically being a reverse Portland-Vancouver in the OR and WA DLCs (the only other example we have in the game but this one is much older). The difference is that KCK and KCMO share the same name, so combining them on the UI map makes sense.
I touched on this in the Missouri thread recently, but basically there's a lot of different situations where it's not always so straightforward what they should do.
What's probably best is to evaluate each situation on a case-by-case basis. Some things to consider are:
- Do each of the two cities stand on their own, either culturally, geographically, historically, etc? Or does one just completely dominate the other, with the smaller one being inseparable from the greater metro area?
- Is one of the cities very obscure, or not the only significant city in that area on that side of the border? For example look at the Kentucky side of the Cincinnati metro area. There's not really one dominant option to choose on the KY side, like there is for Omaha and Council Bluffs.
- Is it necessary to reach this metro area within the earlier DLC? For example, not including West Memphis in the Arkansas DLC would have caused a bad road network for that DLC. This is not a huge issue because most of the examples remaining have the larger city set up to come in the earlier DLC anyways.
By those criteria, I'd say St Louis and East St Louis should be their own cities, Davenport IA and Moline IL should be their own cities, Duluth MN and Superior WI should be their own cities, Chicago IL and Gary IN should be their own cities, Detroit MI and Windsor ON should be their own cities, etc.
Grand Forks, ND and East Grand Forks, MN is tricky because East Grand Forks has some of the important industries for Grand Forks, but East Grand Forks just doesn't scream marked city to me. I'll have to think about that one.
Fargo ND, Columbus GA, and Chattanooga TN are some examples where I think not having a cross-DLC economy is fine.
It's tricky to predict how they will handle future cross-border situations because the only recent examples we have are Texarkana and Kansas City which share a name. And even those two situations are different:
- Texarkana TX and Texarkana AR are two different but similarly-sized municipalities that share a common downtown area that straddles the border, although that downtown area is not in the game
- Kansas City KS is a much smaller suburb of Kansas City MO, which is the main city in the metro area
Texarkana is pretty unique but Kansas City I see as basically being a reverse Portland-Vancouver in the OR and WA DLCs (the only other example we have in the game but this one is much older). The difference is that KCK and KCMO share the same name, so combining them on the UI map makes sense.
I touched on this in the Missouri thread recently, but basically there's a lot of different situations where it's not always so straightforward what they should do.
What's probably best is to evaluate each situation on a case-by-case basis. Some things to consider are:
- Do each of the two cities stand on their own, either culturally, geographically, historically, etc? Or does one just completely dominate the other, with the smaller one being inseparable from the greater metro area?
- Is one of the cities very obscure, or not the only significant city in that area on that side of the border? For example look at the Kentucky side of the Cincinnati metro area. There's not really one dominant option to choose on the KY side, like there is for Omaha and Council Bluffs.
- Is it necessary to reach this metro area within the earlier DLC? For example, not including West Memphis in the Arkansas DLC would have caused a bad road network for that DLC. This is not a huge issue because most of the examples remaining have the larger city set up to come in the earlier DLC anyways.
By those criteria, I'd say St Louis and East St Louis should be their own cities, Davenport IA and Moline IL should be their own cities, Duluth MN and Superior WI should be their own cities, Chicago IL and Gary IN should be their own cities, Detroit MI and Windsor ON should be their own cities, etc.
Grand Forks, ND and East Grand Forks, MN is tricky because East Grand Forks has some of the important industries for Grand Forks, but East Grand Forks just doesn't scream marked city to me. I'll have to think about that one.
Fargo ND, Columbus GA, and Chattanooga TN are some examples where I think not having a cross-DLC economy is fine.
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Re: Iowa Discussion Thread
So instead of having two cities and one
I will agree with ya Oldmanclippy like
An example Cincinnati Oh with Covington KY
Would be a good choice together it would make
perfectly clear too me
I will agree with ya Oldmanclippy like
An example Cincinnati Oh with Covington KY
Would be a good choice together it would make
perfectly clear too me
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Speaking of bordering cities, South Sioux City, Nebraska seems to have an interesting industrial district focused on the food industry, but so far SCS has respected state limits regarding remote warehouses, will they add these industries to Sioux City, Iowa?
Personally, I wouldn't mind if they managed the interstate metropolitan areas as a single city, marking their core city and the rest with suburban treatment, but an approach like the one Oldmanclippy mentions seems the most appropriate to me.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if they managed the interstate metropolitan areas as a single city, marking their core city and the rest with suburban treatment, but an approach like the one Oldmanclippy mentions seems the most appropriate to me.
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I think that would be my preference too if they could figure out a way to display the cross-DLC cities reasonably within the job market UI. The map UI having just one city for a metropolitan area where one city is dominant (e.g. most metro areas except for DFW, the Bay Area, the Twin Cities, the Quad Cities, etc) would be nice and clean, even for cities with cross-DLC economies such as St. Louis, Kansas City, Cincinnati, etc. But the job market UI lists the city and state, so having something like St. Louis, IL wouldn't make sense so they'd either have to just choose a city name such as East St. Louis, IL (which would be confusing since the UI map wouldn't have East St. Louis on it in this hypothetical scenario), or come up with something like St. Louis Metro, IL that is more general.
So that's the reasoning for my suggestion to evaluate situations on a case-by-case basis. Bringing it back to Iowa, I think they made the right call marking Council Bluffs separately, and I hope they'll mark Moline separately from Davenport when the Illinois DLC comes.
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The "xyz Metro" approach seems like a good idea. Clear and to the point.
By the way, cross-city economies are arguably a smaller problem with WoT because the online jobs chooser shows all jobs that start within a certain distance, irrespective of city. That's a feature I'd like to see as an option for the offline freight market, too. It doesn't solve the city naming issue of course, but it makes selecting your next job a bit easier.
By the way, cross-city economies are arguably a smaller problem with WoT because the online jobs chooser shows all jobs that start within a certain distance, irrespective of city. That's a feature I'd like to see as an option for the offline freight market, too. It doesn't solve the city naming issue of course, but it makes selecting your next job a bit easier.
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