Oregon DLC discussion thread

[flight50]

Yeah, I am speaking on for Oregon release of what they have shown so far. I am sure the proper research has taken place to give us what is actually in place. TruckSimChris first 4 pics seem like what SCS will go for. At least I hope. 2 varieties would be great, long and a short. But of course SCS will give us what they feel comfortable with.

[WerewolfCustoms]

I'm absolutely positive we won't see any logging truck variants. This DLC will be just a map expansion. Maybe we get a couple of new semitrailers, but that's it.

[TruckSimChris]

My original post was just meant to correct @supersobes assumptions of Pacific Northwest truck configurations. I don't like when people misrepresent the trucks in my region. I'm very sensitive to that.

I highly doubt we'll see anything like a true Pacific Northwest log truck anytime soon if ever. In regard to physics, SCS would have to consider the logs pivoting independent of the trailer, truck and bunks, plus the telescoping shaft in the trailer, not to mention that this type of truck is technically a straight truck (or "rigid" to Europeans) which SCS currently doesn't officially support yet. That would require quite a lot of work just for ONE very specialized type of truck that's used only in a relatively small region.

It was a fun discussion, but I wouldn't expect anything.

[pcmanim]

Surprised no one has mentioned this, but I wonder if weed will be a new cargo type?

[GT182]

Some are saying they want owner trailers when the Oregon map comes out. I don't see how this will work. You'll need more than one trailer for the different job types, and where will you keep a fleet of trailers so you can grab the type you'll need?

And I hope they don't skimp on highways this time. There's a lot of roads missing in the other maps that would shorten trips.

[saur44l]

Judging from all the info,photos and videos you guys from the US are providing,Oregon is one of those states were you get to see great and unusual variety of trucks and trailers,it would be a pity if SCS doesn't capitalize on that and make ATS somehow more distinguishable from the ETS2.

[Laynlow13]

@saur44l, I agree. It would be great to see SCS acknowledge and implement at least a little bit of the NW truck/trailer uniqueness.

@GT182
It wouldn't be too difficult to add trailer ownership, as a concept not sure about coding side of things. They just need to add parking lots, either attached to the garage prefabs, or at least in or near the same cities as garages, where you can drop and hook your trailers. At the entrance you could put a deal on the ground like at the entrances to the businesses so that you could select which trailer you want to pick up. They had trailer ownership in one of the 18wos games, and there's some bit of coding/def files in ATS that is setup for it. In ATS you can own trailers, but you have to do some save file editing to do anything with them, and you can't really use them on jobs.

Regarding the specialized log trucks being added to the game, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that either. They will probably just stick with the log bunk semi trailers and whatnot.

[flight50]

I am holding my breath, lol. I know nothing of coding but for such a beautiful dlc that will be given to us in Oregon, I can see SCS wanting Oregon to shine and stick out above the previous dlc and existing content. We already see the belly dump. A new or modified logging trailer fits the bill of "shine". If they don't give us a new logging trailer so be it and it won't be a deal breaker for me. But I think it would be nice somehow to utilize the multi pivot feature that is now available.

Food for thought.
Although it wouldn't be accurate because there are no rigids, but how would you guys feel if they made the first set of log arms that are on the rigid truck, a king pin hookup. If they make a kingpin to hookup to the fifth wheel out of the first set of log holders, would you guys in the NW be offended with that? On the rigid frame, obviously those first set of holder pivot anyways. This pivoting is shown very well in TruckSimChris's 2 videos in this post. So exclude the need for a rigid and make it a standard kingpin type trailer.

[Laynlow13]

@flight50 I wouldn't be against that. They are pretty much tractor trailers with a pivoting log bunk where the 5th wheel would be and pulling a dollied trailer from a pintle hook type setup. The only problem I see as it pertains to ATS is that the reach needs to be able to extend and retract in turns to keep the trailer and logs from binding because they pivot on different arcs. I don't know if SCS is capable of doing something like that in this game engine.

[TruckSimChris]

@saur44l

Indeed, there is a lot for SCS to choose from in the Pacific Northwest. You will find trucks and trailers in almost every possible axle configuration you can imagine. They're quite unique compared to the rest of the US, and that's what makes the trucks from this region so awesome.


@all

I want to share a few examples of the types of trailer configurations we have.

But first, keep in mind, in the Pacific Northwest (which is Oregon, Washington and Idaho) we allow up to 105,500 lbs on 8 axles if the wheelbase is at least 69 feet or more, or 9 axles if the wheelbase is between 60-69 feet.

By the way, for many of you Europeans who are curious about why we use tri-axle trucks in the Pacific Northwest, it's because the inter-axle spacing (or "Inner Bridge" as we call it) needs to be very long as well in order to haul up to 105,500 lbs. The required inter-axle spacing varies based on tire width, but for example with traditional 11-inch front steer tires on a 69 foot long 8-axle truck, the inter-axle spacing must be at least 56 or 57 feet long (allowing approximately 93,000 lbs on the Inner Bridge under our weight law), which is why you see the mid-lift axle moved so far forward on many of our trucks. In simpler terms, we use mid-lift axles to artificially extend the wheelbase to meet the requirements of our weight law.

Here's 2 great examples of properly positioned mid-lift axles:
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Anyway, here are our trailers...

Quad axle flatbed with dual wheels on the middle axles, single wheels on the front and rear axles (non-steerable):
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Quad axle flatbed with rear steering axle:
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Quad axle flatbed with dual rear steering axles:
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Quad axle tanker with rear steering axle:
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5 axle tanker with front and rear steering axles (rare):
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6 axle tanker with 3 forward steering axles (very rare!):
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48-foot tri-axle tanker with an addon steerable axle to extend the wheelbase:
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Here are several different interpretations of our weight laws. All are dump trucks with 8 axles, however look at the manner in which they've configured their axles:
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Various types of straight trucks with trailers ("rigids" or "tandems" for you Europeans):
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Multi-axle straight trucks (no trailers):
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We've got B-doubles too:
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Rocky Mountain Doubles are legal as well. (I think you Europeans will take interest in the T800 with the rear-steering tag axle. It's rare but we do in fact have that too, in case you had any doubt. They're not allowed to carry as much weight as dual-wheel axles though. ):
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In regards to Rocky Mountain Doubles, I should note that even though Idaho shares a similar weight law to Oregon and Washington, they do allow RMD's to carry up to 129,000 lbs on 10 or more axles on certain routes. Even though it's not relevant to this topic, I just wanted to make that clear anyway:
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By far the most interesting configurations, in my opinion, are our container trailers.

Quad axle container trailer with forward steering axle:
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Quad axle container trailer with forward steer axle in the middle. These are very common:
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5 axle container trailer with very far forward steer axle. Mostly hauled with traditional 3 axle trucks:
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Short 5 axle container trailer with 2 forward steer axles. Again, hauled with 3 axle trucks:
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40-foot tri-axle container trailer with an addon stinger axle to extend the wheelbase, just like the tanker I mentioned above:
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Two other very common types of quad axle trailers in the northwest: solid waste trailers and, of course, curtainside trailers:
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And finally, here are various interpretations of our weight laws that you might find interesting. You can see how open our laws are that you can configure your axles anyway you want to suit your needs.

5 axle trucks with 2 steerable mid-lift axles:
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Several different logging trailer configurations:
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And these are only some of the configurations we've got in the Pacific Northwest. There are many more, even weirder axle configurations if you can believe that.

Full credit to AaronK, Ger A, Michael Cereghino and Colby Williams for taking those awesome pictures.