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Re: Montana Discussion Thread

#1751 Post by ads678 » 27 Jun 2022 19:36

The lack of US-20 connection from Idaho Falls is really unexpected. Another important road that should be added in future updates (if indeed it will not be in the initial release of Montana DLC).
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#1752 Post by flight50 » 27 Jun 2022 19:54

^Yeah. I won't give up hope. I think Montana needs to release to seen the final road map. US-26 to US-191 just to get to Bozeman is a head scratcher. If we are getting all three in 287,191 and 89....US-20 getting squeezed out isn't ideal. When I look at the map and see Idaho Falls to Bozeman, I see US-20 being the route of choice. I'm not looking in game with 1.45 so I don't know what space is available. Maybe US-20 got locked behind the Montana dlc. That I can live with.
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#1753 Post by Shiva » 27 Jun 2022 19:58

ads678, I'm not giving up on it!

flight50, in West Yellowstone, there US-20 ends in a dead end scenery.
North of Idaho Falls, it still looks like it could come someday.
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#1754 Post by flight50 » 27 Jun 2022 20:16

Yeah is North of Idaho Falls I am concerned about. I'd rather see US-20 than US-287 honestly. US-287 is already chopped up but US-20, we pretty much have it since Oregon. US-20 is one of my favorite US roads actually. Its a route that would be like US-2. Longer stretches then a break, then continue again. US-191 was like that until updates brought new segments. US-20.......as long as it comes in the future, I'd be okay with that. Can we still get from Idaho Falls to Bozeman, sure. We'll make due.
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#1755 Post by oldmanclippy » 27 Jun 2022 20:54

Missing US-20 between Idaho Falls and West Yellowstone would be the biggest miss in ATS so far, IMO. Otherwise the route from Idaho Falls to Bozeman is completely borked. Those are important cities we're talking about. Hopefully it's just not a road that's in the main branch yet and it's still in the cards. That would make the US-14 miss look like a puny trifle in comparison.
Shiva wrote: 27 Jun 2022 19:14 US-20 Idaho Falls to West Wyoming, it is not in, but I will not give up hope on it. Not yet anyway. But it looks dark.
ID-200 / MT-200, is a No.
Wallace, that I hope for, might not come, I hope I am wrong!
US-2 between Bonners Ferry and Troy is 100%
I see zero traze of US-89. Zero.
US-212 between YNP and Rockvale, is a no. Both US-89 and US-212, can not yet be counted out for 100% Montana DLC might show more space wise.
US-191 from West Yellowstone, has Four Corners and Bozeman mile sign, ingame signs, that is a good sign.
US-287 can be seen.

From west to east.
US-2, I-90, US-12, US-93, I-15, US-287, US-191, US-310, I-90, WY-59/MT-59.

Cody to Lovell, via Alt.US-14, zero space for it. Sadly. But, wow! those areas do look nice!
WY-120, not in, but would have been nice if it was added in the future. I still think there could be space for it.
US-20, between Idaho Falls and West Wyoming? I still think it has space. Either as US-20 the whole way, or as US-20, then ID-87/MT-87, if the MT-87/US-287 is ingame.

This could be the Montana DLC patch.

Ah yeah, for bughunters, there is visual bugs in Yellowstone.

No sign of US-212 between I-90 and Broadus. As in Ashland with that part of US-212 are AWOL. As it seems, there should have been some hint in that map sector.
Thanks for getting this info!

ID-200/MT-200, yeah that's a miss I suspected.

Zero trace of US-89 is a big surprise. It does lead credence to my theory, however, that the mention of US-89 in the Wyoming Yellowstone blog was a typo, and that US-191 was the intention. US-89 has always seemed a strange choice to me, so maybe we won't be getting it south of I-90 after all. But maybe it will end up in the final product. Can't possibly discount a road that was mentioned in a blog, no matter how suspicious it seems. Then again, the idea of getting all three US-287/US-191/US-89 south of I-90 is bonkers, yet we have physical evidence of the first two and the latter mentioned directly in a blog. Nuts.

Very very overjoyed to learn that US-191 between West Yellowstone and Four Corners is coming. One of my favorite roads in the world and one that would instantly become one of the best in ATS. Also very important for connecting Idaho Falls with Bozeman.

No sign of US-212 east of I-90, that's also a miss I suspected based on something flight50 said previously, that that road doesn't serve much of a purpose until South Dakota. Hopefully it comes then. We'll definitely need it east of MT-59, that's for sure.
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Re: Montana Discussion Thread

#1756 Post by Trakaplex » 27 Jun 2022 21:30

oldmanclippy wrote: 27 Jun 2022 20:54 Missing US-20 between Idaho Falls and West Yellowstone would be the biggest miss in ATS so far, IMO. Otherwise the route from Idaho Falls to Bozeman is completely borked. Those are important cities we're talking about. Hopefully it's just not a road that's in the main branch yet and it's still in the cards. That would make the US-14 miss look like a puny trifle in comparison.
Shiva wrote: 27 Jun 2022 19:14 US-20 Idaho Falls to West Wyoming, it is not in, but I will not give up hope on it. Not yet anyway. But it looks dark.
ID-200 / MT-200, is a No.
Wallace, that I hope for, might not come, I hope I am wrong!
US-2 between Bonners Ferry and Troy is 100%
I see zero traze of US-89. Zero.
US-212 between YNP and Rockvale, is a no. Both US-89 and US-212, can not yet be counted out for 100% Montana DLC might show more space wise.
US-191 from West Yellowstone, has Four Corners and Bozeman mile sign, ingame signs, that is a good sign.
US-287 can be seen.

From west to east.
US-2, I-90, US-12, US-93, I-15, US-287, US-191, US-310, I-90, WY-59/MT-59.

Cody to Lovell, via Alt.US-14, zero space for it. Sadly. But, wow! those areas do look nice!
WY-120, not in, but would have been nice if it was added in the future. I still think there could be space for it.
US-20, between Idaho Falls and West Wyoming? I still think it has space. Either as US-20 the whole way, or as US-20, then ID-87/MT-87, if the MT-87/US-287 is ingame.

This could be the Montana DLC patch.

Ah yeah, for bughunters, there is visual bugs in Yellowstone.

No sign of US-212 between I-90 and Broadus. As in Ashland with that part of US-212 are AWOL. As it seems, there should have been some hint in that map sector.
Thanks for getting this info!

ID-200/MT-200, yeah that's a miss I suspected.

Zero trace of US-89 is a big surprise. It does lead credence to my theory, however, that the mention of US-89 in the Wyoming Yellowstone blog was a typo, and that US-191 was the intention. US-89 has always seemed a strange choice to me, so maybe we won't be getting it south of I-90 after all. But maybe it will end up in the final product. Can't possibly discount a road that was mentioned in a blog, no matter how suspicious it seems. Then again, the idea of getting all three US-287/US-191/US-89 south of I-90 is bonkers, yet we have physical evidence of the first two and the latter mentioned directly in a blog. Nuts.

Very very overjoyed to learn that US-191 between West Yellowstone and Four Corners is coming. One of my favorite roads in the world and one that would instantly become one of the best in ATS. Also very important for connecting Idaho Falls with Bozeman.

No sign of US-212 east of I-90, that's also a miss I suspected based on something flight50 said previously, that that road doesn't serve much of a purpose until South Dakota. Hopefully it comes then. We'll definitely need it east of MT-59, that's for sure.
US-89 is confirmed in the devcam to go past the border, but it could be dead end. But we have West Yellowstone and Bozeman confirmed, so US-191 would be more probable. We don't have any sign of Livingston. I think they could fit all three. It's like having US-26 west of Riverton, but no US-287 west of Lander. They managed to shove all roads in that small triangle in game. Especially when Texas releases, parallel roads in ATS will be more common than ever.

Or maybe, it could be a blatant skip, just like leaving out Worland and US-16. And US-212 west of Broadus could also be in, but blocked off until SD comes. Wyoming DLC doesn't even have US-85 via Torrington to Newcastle yet, and that's WY.
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Re: Montana Discussion Thread

#1757 Post by VTXcnME » 27 Jun 2022 22:52

flight50 wrote: 27 Jun 2022 20:16 Yeah is North of Idaho Falls I am concerned about. I'd rather see US-20 than US-287 honestly. US-287 is already chopped up but US-20, we pretty much have it since Oregon. US-20 is one of my favorite US roads actually. Its a route that would be like US-2. Longer stretches then a break, then continue again. US-191 was like that until updates brought new segments. US-20.......as long as it comes in the future, I'd be okay with that. Can we still get from Idaho Falls to Bozeman, sure. We'll make due.
Purposeful to create a longer route to showcase the rest of the state?

I agree, it really should be included. I'll compare this to US-60 in NM. :D :D You can drive one side or the other, but not straight thru. And like US-60, it's an important trucker route.
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Re: Montana Discussion Thread

#1758 Post by Shiva » 28 Jun 2022 07:53

Trakaplex, US-89, in the future?
That can not be counted out. But it coming at release? No, does not look like that right now.

Right now, regarding US-20 at Idaho/Wyoming border.
US-20, Idaho Falls to West Yellowstone, direct route, seems dead.
Hopefully can be changed in the future.

The other possibility.
US-20, ID-87/MT-87, Idaho Falls to US-287, might still be possible. But Zero signs about that for now. We'll have to see if the US-287/MT-87 intersections gets ingame, if it gets in, then:
Maybe a future patch, if the pure US-20 does not get in.

I think both Montana and Texas, could have roads that could be added later.

Regarding US-287 vs US-20?
There is no vs. Atleast regarding West Yellowstone. There I think it is possible put it in.
No case of, one or the other, as I see it.
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Re: Montana Discussion Thread

#1759 Post by Tristman » 28 Jun 2022 07:59

If you open the UI map in the map editor, it shows already which roads are dead ends, and which will lead into Montana and Texas.
The connections are as Shiva says.

I’m fine with most of the roads, but I agree it’s a shame there no US-20 from Idaho Falls to West Yellowstone. It feels like US-24 in Colorado (Colo. Springs <> Limon) all over again. These are short but very useful roads that shouldn’t take a lot of effort to map, so why leave them out?
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Re: Montana Discussion Thread

#1760 Post by Shiva » 28 Jun 2022 08:21

US-20, is about twice the distance, of US-24.
I could be ok, with it being added after the release.

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Tristman, would you be ok if US-24's E Platte Ave and N Powers Blvd, would be an intersection, instead of an interchange?
As it is in now? Due to scale.
Then I think SCS could add that missing piece. Please? :)
Maybe some new mapper could do it?

As that road is now east of US-25, it consists of the real pieces of this and this. + an fictional intersection, combining both.
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