SCS General Discussion Thread

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#29591 Post by JaDaKa » 27 May 2023 21:35

I think Genoa was a result of bad maintenance; bridge's life was over (materials used were a big factor), they should have proceeded to repair/reinforcement works (or better destroy it) but didn't. There were obvious signs of its deterioration which were neglected.

As I said architectural engineers know about the principles that have to be followed etc, so their idea can be feasible.
Depends on the project, there are many where architects had a large share on a bridge's concept, just not the cases shown above.

There are others with a more distinct decorative purpose that I could call them an "architectural wonder", wouldn't use that term on the above though.
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#29592 Post by TheTiger » 27 May 2023 21:39

No. When we speak about bridges, yearly there are an inspection where tells you how much it was degraded or if they will need an maintenance.
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#29593 Post by JaDaKa » 27 May 2023 21:51

Yep even more often depending on the location & age.
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#29594 Post by Guguz » 28 May 2023 14:14

JaDaKa wrote: 27 May 2023 21:35 I think Genoa was a result of bad maintenance; bridge's life was over (materials used were a big factor), they should have proceeded to repair/reinforcement works (or better destroy it) but didn't. There were obvious signs of its deterioration which were neglected.
In fact,lately are emerging details about the neglicence by the people that should have maintained the bridge and prevented the disaster.
You know,the typical and usual Italian story that happens every time
And it's happening again with the Emilia Romagna floods 😢
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#29595 Post by velles » 28 May 2023 16:13

ASDF wrote: 27 May 2023 17:40 We already have Volvo Construction Equipment and I think we should also have Liebherr, Caterpillar, Doosan, John Deere, Case and others
Personally I don't care that much about DLCs like Volvo Construction Equipment. Well, maybe I do care about the fact that items in this DLC serve no other puropse as cargo and ultimately are pretty pointless from a game perspective.
I think that SCS should licence things that can be also used outside the DLC itself. For example the Krone or Schwarzmuller trailers are purchasable for player only if he bought DLC, but they spawn in traffic even without it (which is good for variety).
Ok, maybe this isn't a perfect example because trailer DLCs would be useful even if they didn't spawn in traffic. On the other hand licenced cargo items are something that you will almost certainly haul very rarely. Yet unlike the trailers they serve no other purpose than just being a cargo.
Why not (if the licence doesn't forbid it) use these Volvo excavators or dump trucks as a map props? Or for example if SCS will manage to licence an agricultural cargo equipment it should also spawn as a AI traffic. Because licencing vehicles that's ultimately used only as a cargo is a waste of SCS' money and vehicle team workforce that could be spent somewhere else (unless SCS got that licence for free or at some bargain price).
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#29596 Post by xXCARL1992Xx » 28 May 2023 16:17

"For example the Krone or Schwarzmuller trailers are purchasable for player only if he bought DLC, but they spawn in traffic even without it (which is good for variety)."

how schould this work when all the data is in the Krone DLC, they do not spawn if you dont own the DLCs, never have and never will
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#29597 Post by Some newbie driver » 28 May 2023 16:27

xXCARL1992Xx wrote: 27 May 2023 20:56architects are also engineers, do you think they just design something ? they have to do a bit more then to just draw on a bit of paper
No, in strict fact, they aren't; and that's a big part in the hate-love relation both professions had always had. In lots of countries everywhere, whatever engineering knowledge an architect has comes from basic curriculum before university, due optional courses they took on the university or from their eagerness to wide their knowledge. On the opposite side, engineers use to crap a lot designing buildings. They know how to make the structure stand still but they miss lots of things a (proper) architect will not overlook due his specialized knowledge.

That means that any good civilian construction use to require both architects and engineers to cooperate; even if some of them dislike o accept it. The fact that only the architect side of the team had reach (some times) the famous status specially in the past decades is something that add more salt to that wound on engineers ego. Point is also, in lots of countries, it's the architect the last authority on the project and the one that signs it. So, the architect takes for himself all the responsibility of what could happen with the construction; if some engineer messed up with the calculations, maybe he could save himself from the legal repercussions. In the specific case of bridges, that started this discussion, engineers use to moan the fact that there's little "design" part on it that are made by architects but even so they are the names known as the "makers" of the bridge. It's the never ending discussion.

Most times, on small scale projects; what happens is that the person in charge is somebody that has studied BOTH careers (architecture and some engineering degree) and is proficient enough on both sides to do the project on its own. But for people that just studies one of them, no, an architect isn't and engineer neither the opposite. But as soon as the project has certain size, the amount of work is so much that everybody take one of those roles to get it done and at most they interchange ideas; but everybody will have their separated role. Plus, if not cutting corners to save some pennies, isn't strange to externalize the validation of the engineering calculus to a second team on another company in order to be sure nothing has been overlooked. Take as example of this not being done on the very well know history of Diane Hartley and the Citicorp Center skyscraper on Manhattan.

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#29598 Post by velles » 28 May 2023 16:32

xXCARL1992Xx wrote: 28 May 2023 16:17 how schould this work when all the data is in the Krone DLC, they do not spawn if you dont own the DLCs, never have and never will
Well, you can turn off the DLCs on Steam and check it yourself that these trailers do spawn in the AI. Most DLCs like tuning packs or trailers are on the hard drive (they need to be because if you play Convoy mode with someone who doesn't own these items they otherwise wouldn't be able to see them). They're just not purchasable if you don't own them.
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#29599 Post by xXCARL1992Xx » 28 May 2023 16:34

i did and they dont, so stop spreading nonsense, if they would spawn in traffic then why should people buy the Krone DLC if they can wait for a modder to make them all available for free ?
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#29600 Post by Aziz » 28 May 2023 16:36

xXCARL1992Xx wrote: 28 May 2023 16:34 i did and they dont, so stop spreading nonsense, if they would spawn in traffic then why should people buy the Krone DLC if they can wait for a modder to make them all available for free ?
Copyright infringement. Or simply breaking the license agreement. Or piracy.
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