JeeF wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023 20:07
Eggtooth wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023 18:18
Hold on. How can you move on from this and not even address this?
If a reply starts with "and then he bashed SCS" I completely ignore it. When these people start learning to attack the argument intelligently instead of the author, I'll start replying in fashion.
Eggtooth wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023 18:18
There's no game on the market currently that has any of the things people here are wishing for
So your argument is that we should only have the right to criticize a game for not having X or Y if we can show evidence of another competitor game that has X and Y features?
Weak argument. Specially taking into consideration ATS/ETS2 unfortunately (and very unfortunately) do not have any direct competitor.
Eggtooth wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023 18:18
free updates and nearly decade old update cycle with trucks and most trailers for free
ATS with all DLCs cost at the moment 232 canadian dollars. ETS2 with all DLCs cost at the moment 346.41 canadian dollars.
These two are by far the most expensive games I have on my steam, and I own 307 games.
Care to guess what the game will cost when the whole of US is released?
If your argument is "SCS is doing a lot for us for little money" I would imagine you are not very well versed in the videogame industry, or maybe only had interactions with really bad developers.
Eggtooth wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023 18:18
someone who doesn't acknowledge all the good SCS has done in the opposite extreme.
If I thought the games were FUBAR I wouldn't be here.
If you take the time to read my posts for the past year, your opinion on me will change.
Oh boy here we go. Yeah, you really don't have any idea what are you talking about as evident in this post, attacking me with 'you have no experience' but then saying few lines earlier that you don't wish others to attack the author, which is you. Yeah, right, preach what you want others to be first, before requesting that from anyone.
You don't look at all DLC's as a whole. You look at the base game and each DLC as its own thing. As a base game, you got... pretty good updates with content, improvements and reworks of original content. I'd hate for you to see Train Simulator by Dovetail Games if we go by your logic. You're welcome to call me inexperienced, but you've shown to have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about yourself if you have no idea just how expensive as a whole is Dovetail catalogue.
If you break down each DLC and its price, yes, they are cheap, but human mind doesn't work this way. We look at a whole, instead of individual parts a lot of the time... and that's where your argument falls apart, because if you look at individual prices of the DLC and content they provide, they are actually super cheap. Incredibly so. In case of Dovetail games - they are overpriced and often reuse assets (more so than SCS), and Locos they have are buggy and incredibly unpolished. The routes they offer are short and offer NOTHING. Atleast in SCS case the DLCs offer large amounts of map content. SCS provides you content for free (trucks, ownable trailers and new trailer models that are unlicensed) that Dovetail paywalls and then releases as a buggy mess. There's a reason that game doesn't sit on "Overwhelmingly Positive" on Steam unlike ATS and ETS2. It's because Dovetail sells small content (short routes, basic unpolished locos) for horrible pricing and have audacity to release them unfinished. If you say "steam reviews don't matter", they do, they absolutely do. Bad game will always get "mostly negative" mediocre game "mostly positive" and good games, "overwhelmingly positive". Steam reviews will /ALWAYS/ reflect the game's quality. Notice how almost every DLC that SCS has released, ever, is sitting at "Very Positive". This is because there's effort and affordable price.
Oh also, it doesn't matter with who I interact, good or bad developers. This doesn't mean anything It's a cop out from you and you know it. Don't shift goalposts, because you know full well this matters little.
Good example to further ruin your argument are skins for trucks that SCS sells. They are dirt cheap, while in some games one skin can cost 20 dollars. (US dollars). Look at any other game with microtransactions. You'll find some that have cheap microtransactions, but a lof of the "freemium" games offer something that isn't worth the money (Halo Infinite).
Now to "right to criticise the game". Uh, no. Re-read the post, because you didn't read it what-so-ever and have extremely poor understanding of written word. I've said that bashing SCS for not implementing features that /YOU/ want is bad. I have long list of features that I want them to implement and I criticise them for not implementing them, but unlike a lot of people who cannot read, I don't go and say that SCS is the worst thing that happened to mankind. Not saying you do, but you completely misunderstood what my post was about and accused me of "not allowing criticism because someone else hasn't implemented it". No. That's not what this is all about. It's about the fact that PBandJ was right. There is no game on the market that has these features. Nowhere I said that SCS shouldn't be criticised, so you just put words in my mouth.
I have no intention of reading your posts. I... don't care about you enough and I hold no ill will nor any negative opinion on you. I don't care what you say, but you calling people trolls after seeing their written opinion that doesn't agree with yours, doesn't sit well with me. That and the fact that you contradict yourself. Understand that. I'll ask you kindly sir, get off your high horse and re-read my posts.
JeeF wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023 20:07
I can't think of any other company doing that and asking that much money for it.
To take a screenshot of ATS and say "wow that is beautiful" is to show a clear disconnect to the current state of gaming and technology.
Makes me think the person in question doesn't have a lot of interaction with modern titles.
I am adding this after re-reading your message. This just proved to me some more (as if I needed more proof), that you have no idea just how oblivious you are on how wrong you are. I realise just how insulting it is to me that you have audacity to call me 'inexperienced', while admitting that you have no idea about one of the most eggregious examples of greed in Simulator Genre - Train Simulator by Dovetail Games (together with Train Sim World 3). I beg you, stop embarrassing yourself. Train Simulator Classic. Please, just search for it, searching takes less than 10 seconds, do it, good lord. It's the exact same situation as SCS, just 10 times worse, 10 times more greedy and (no joke) almost 600 times more expensive than anything SCS has done as a whole.
Please, listen to your own advice and wisdom your profile has under each post - "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." - Plato