Poland Discussion

[Aziz]

Oh no don't give me that "won't fit" BS. Poland has the second worst city density in the game, beaten only by Norway - but in this case it's justified as there's nothing more than mountains and tunnels. Poland has 5 missing cities to even properly represent all voivodeships.

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Here's a map made in 5 minutes. Polish and German cities to scale, green for Poland (what it should have been), blue for Germany. Size of the dots roughly represents the reworked city size. There's plenty of space for everything that's missing. The largest cities in the game fit within a single map sector, fitting Kielce is a piece of cake. Hell, Radom could go in as well.

[Aziz]

Some won't rest until they get city density worthy of most popular map mods, whatever they are. I will rest when this is done, don't need any more
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16 cities, 16 voivodeships.
The missing ones are too big to be ignored and they will raise the density up to base map levels.

[Ch_R0me]

I've checked your map, and filled in a bit, along with optional cities (marked with "?") and potential routes to Ukraine.

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EDIT:
Almost forgot about A18, pretty much like in EURoadMod (but with Cottbus in Germany and A18 is actually complete).

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[Pasztecior]

@Ch_R0me i made some correct to that map about how it now goes and i add A18 whith you were talking about. and i add something from me
first i add Dk45 and 46 roads near Opole, it will make that city can be just some companies around the main road because lets be honest Opole is small city, and that roads can potentialy connect to Olomouc so next border crossing with Cechia,
next we have Dk1/S1 near Katowice one is just how it looks like now and that one in south gonna by new road to slovakia, i have seen its a bit important and it gonna be probably first expressway from Poland do Slovakia, at slovakia it ends in Žilina.
next i connected Dk74 to S19 because why not, its gonna be faster from Lublin to Kielce.
next i added S14 whith is West part of Łódź Ring.
i added to map road near Vistula (whith you were talking about) that will connect Płock, and i gonna talk for a while about it, its a close road to Dk10 so 10 dont make sense being more in game, BUT as it start to build S10 it gonna connect Włocławek with Płońsk like Dk62 so...
next i added DK65 also because why not, and it will nicely connect Warszawa with East of Królewiec oblast.
and last i added S3 and Świnoujście because there is important Ferry from it to Trelleborg and it will be nice to be in game, i also add here road 110 in germany because it will be nice connect with Germany and probably fastest ferry conection from Berlin to Sweden
and after i wrote all up to this i see that Lublin Ring is on wrong side it should be on left and make nice Ring on North of Lublin.

and about that link to map that you say its locked, idk how that works so lets say it havent be any link to any map.

[Ch_R0me]

About Opole, I would rather focus on DK 46 in direction of DK 11, eventually it could be even pushed further towards A1 highway, while going on other side to Czechia...
Perhaps there would be too much border passes at this point, but maybe if somebody researching Czechia could give his/her input on the I/60 / I/44 route to Olomouc.

DK 1 / S1: There is still the huge delay in the missing segment of S1 (Przybędza - Milówka). I don't know how the missing fragment (pretty much like in S6) could be implemented... Same thing is with Slovakian D3, where the segment Cadca - Zilina isn't even started, to the frustration of many Slovaks from Kysuce region (AFAIK).

DK 74 - Like I said, if it would be longer, it could connect even to the Zamość, which could improve connection with Ukraine (in some nonspecific future).

S14 - I agree. With one junction leading directly to the Łódź.

Now, after looking at DK 62... S10/DK10 still could be ditched, due to the fact that S10 is still in the concepting phase, like S50/A50 Warsaw Ring, to which it would connect.

DK 65 - looks fair enough, if Gusev could be added to the oblast (which is very unlikely atm).

S3/DK 93 - Świnoujście would be very tough to implement within borders... Probably would be like a Trieste in Italy. But then B 110 route through Anklam to the A 20 Autobahn, eh?

About Lublin Ring - yep, @Aziz drawn it, but the ring isn't complete to the south (to my frustration, due to DW 835 route southward).

[Aziz]

That's quickly turning into mod territory.
No rework will ever get recent dlc density, the only place I can think of aside from main16 would be Wieluń, for Wielton dlc.

[Ogre]

As much as I appreciate this idea, as much I fear that the rework - whenever done - will not include any additional marked cities. SCS has so far never ever added a marked city during a ETS2 rework. But I reserve the right to be proven wrong in the future

[Pasztecior]

to get smaller with city density ic can be:
Koszalin as part of Szczecin (Świnoujście is just needed because of how important it is)
Piła as a part of Poznań
Toruń and Grudziądz as a part of Bydgoszcz
Suwałki as a part of Białystok
Płock and Radom as a Part of Warszaw (in that way i see in game Zbyszko factory, and i have read a bit and i know there is somewhere Zbyszko factory in Piła)
and last Zamość as a part of Lublin

that wont make less content but it gonna be more probably

and about Świnoujście @Ch_R0me it not must be big city, it can be small one road city that goes Via Wolin and Uznam islands and only something like one company and ferry

[Some newbie driver]

No rework will ever get recent dlc density

I'm not agree with that statement said in that strictly way.

Of course, if SCS keeps doing reworks as lately, an hypothetical rework of Poland would not match the density of current map DLCs nor include new cities. But we cannot negate the possibility either. Because map reworks started just as getting rid of old unrealistic road junctions and layouts and actually are completely new whole maps done from scratch. So, it's obvious that SCS decided to change their intentions a few years ago and nothing prevents them to do it in the future. At the current pace, a rework of Poland, if ever, is something that could arrive no sooner than in 4 years. Lots of things can change in such a long time.

So, what we can't do is to expect such more detailed reworks, because there's no precedent in what to base such expectation. People can guess whatever they want though; as far as they understand that guesses aren't desires that SCS will be bound to fulfill at all. I personally would like to see a lot more of content in a reworked Poland; due it's size and current emptiness, is the place with more potential for extra content of the current game map. But if they would just rework the same roads and cities we have now, I would enjoy them anyways.

Regards

[Eggtooth]

This rework will maybe happen in 2030 if not later.